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trident
Registered: May 2002
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Who really invented 4x4 mode?
Ok so Graham made the first implementation of 4x4 that was useful in practise (Coma Light 12), but who was the first to invent 4x4 and to use 4x4 in a demo? I seem to remember something about Wrath Designs being the first to use it but I was quite absent from the scene in 1994 so I can't recall in which demo.
Anyone knows better? |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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i remember the note for courtesy of soviet |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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that raises the question what exactly you mean by "4x4" (i assume 4x4 fli). eg there have been scrollers with 4x4 pixels loooong before 1994 :) |
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trident
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: that raises the question what exactly you mean by "4x4" (i assume 4x4 fli). eg there have been scrollers with 4x4 pixels loooong before 1994 :)
Of course I meant 4x4 scrollers, not 4x4 FLI :-P
Hollowman: wasn't Courtesy of Soviet released after Coma Light 12? |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
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Who was comming up first with such kind of effect (4x4) scroller was crest in ice cream castle where they use a kind of eci mode to display a flipping fli logo.
I also coded such a scroller in 1992 never released it thou coz the group died before demo was ready.
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
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Honesty: sounds more like 4x1 to me :) |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Of course I meant 4x4 scrollers, not 4x4 FLI :-P
Hollowman: wasn't Courtesy of Soviet released after Coma Light 12?
yes, but they write in the note about how they invented the 4x4 mode before oxyron released theirs |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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lol, well graham has the credit no matter how hard the wrath guys cry. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i'd almost bet that other people did it years before but didnt release it, because they thought its crap :) |
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trident
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: i'd almost bet that other people did it years before but didnt release it, because they thought its crap :)
:-D
Ok thanks for clearing this up. So it is Graham we should all blame then :)
Btw who was the first to do pixel-based effects in 8x8 or 8x4? First time I remember seing an 8x4-based effect was a rotator in an old Censor demo. Can't remember which though. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Btw who was the first to wipe his ass after taking a dump? First time I remember seeing this was when I accidentally opened the wc door on one of my parents. Can't remember which though.
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trident
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: :-D
Ok thanks for clearing this up. So it is Graham we should all blame then :)
Btw who was the first to do pixel-based effects in 8x8 or 8x4? First time I remember seing an 8x4-based effect was a rotator in an old Censor demo. Can't remember which though.
It was Wonderland X |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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now that brings us to the question "what is a pixel based effect" ? =D 1993 sounds late, i bett it was used for simple stuff like screen-whiping (is that an effect?) much earlier. and ofcourse, there were scrollers.... =) |
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trident
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: now that brings us to the question "what is a pixel based effect" ? =D 1993 sounds late, i bett it was used for simple stuff like screen-whiping (is that an effect?) much earlier. and ofcourse, there were scrollers.... =)
Ah the scrollers, of course :-)
I don't have a good definition of "pixel based effects"... haven't been thinking too hard about it really. I was thinking something like "the type of effects typically done in 4x4 mode but in 8x4 or 8x8 mode" (alternatively "PC demo-type effects" - but there has to be a better definition...). The rotate effect in Wonderland X is one of those. Such effects weren't seen much before 1994 and I remember thinking that it looked quite clunky back then. A few years later it didn't look as clunky since we were all quite used to that kind of clunkyness by then :-)
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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any effect is pixel based
or can you display anything without pixels ? |
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Graham
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Lowering the resolution is a very old idea. Jeff Minter did some 8x8 effect in 1985. TTS did some 4x4 stuff before CL12 too, but it was 4 colors so it didn't need any display code. The innovation in CL12 was not the low resolution, but the IRQ based display code. |
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Radiant
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I remember an old BASIC book from the 80's that I read as a kid had some routines for drawing 4x4 graphics. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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the trash80 has 4x4 builtin! =P |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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this topic now wore out, lets start another stupid who made first what topic |
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trident
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 85 |
The ABC80 also had a built-in (monocrome) 4x4 mode and the C64 charset also has it (even though there are no BASIC commands that make use of it).
Regarding early 8x8 stuff, I guess there were a few 8x8 plasmas around before 1994 too. But what about 8x4? |
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Graham
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8x1 and 4x1 are used since the beginning of FLI. |
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Oswald
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8x8 is used since the VIC was invented. |
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trident
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 85 |
Quote: 8x1 and 4x1 are used since the beginning of FLI.
Yeah, I'd even go so far as to say that 8x1 and 4x1 was the beginning of FLI (the 37 / 74 split effects). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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obviously :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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anyone else who wanna look smart telling a fact everyone knows? |
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Tch
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The Sun is not made of gas but has a surface! 8P |
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Oswald
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my fart is made out of gas |
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Tch
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I wasn´t kidding.. |
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trident
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: obviously :)
Haha, a little too blindingly obvious there... Sorry about that :-)
Anyway, does anyone have anything to say about the use of the 8x4 mode for the rotator in Wonderland X? As gpz points out, 1993 does sound quite late for that type of effect. Does anyone have an example where 8x4 mode was used previous to Wonderland X? |
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Ninja
Registered: Jan 2002
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Check Secret Censor Tools for more info about those parts. IIRC Bob wrote something about them in the note. |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
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Think those tools are basically for defining areas with the same color on bitmaps, like the many censor-parts from this era.
About the 8x4-rotator in WLandX.. First of all Contring didn't compensate for the pixel format, which makes the picture streched when tilted 90 degrees. Doh! I still can't think of any effect using 8x4 in this way before. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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I really dislike all the fx that doesnt compensates for the aspect ratio, is it really so hard to add that *2 or /2 in the (pre)calculations ? |
