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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
SID output analisys
I put this into coding since in my opinion the topic is more coder concerning, rather than composer.
Let's say I have a tune playing, normal interrupt implemented and I want to know what's going on inside the SID to use this info to sync demo effects with the music.
There's the 3rd voice output, ok, but this is not enough. I tried to do the following:
jsr music_call
lda $d400
sta var1
lda $d401
sta var2
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So I stored the SID registers in a serie of variables at every music_call (50Hz). But I don't get much, the values seem not to change much for a while, then they suddenly change and then stay the same for some more.
I also read that except for the last 4, SID registers are write-only. Is there the problem?
So how do certain coders manage to do players like Cubic Player or Amazing Player? Well, Cubic Player is maybe even too much, since I don't need spectrum analisys, I just want something of what the SID is doing in each voice.
thanx
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
first method will actually not work with a bunch of players (those who store registers more than once in a frame, and possibly in different order each frame). the other method will always work =) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
oh my how many debates did we have already about this? atleast I'm glad noone could find an error in my suggestions ;) |
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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
Thanx people!!! I looked in old CSDb forums, but I could not find anything about it.
But, using VICE, I can read something from write-only SID registers...so what is that value? It also changes from time to time, so it's surely not $d000 RAM. Any idea?
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Inge
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 144 |
As Groepaz stated, method two will always work. By changing some STA $D400/01/04 to JSR you can catch the SID-values before they are set.
Here is an example of how I visualize the tunes: http://home.c2i.net/ingehp/matunes1.zip |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
@ready:
The value you are reading is the value that was last written to sid (no matter what register), if I remember correctly. |
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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
Frantic: it makes sense, since all write-only adresses have the same value, exactly the last written one. Interesting. |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
Get a tool where it will play the music normally but will show you the player memory live. It also helps if it has super slow playback functions. Watch for patterns at about the right time. I wouldn't bother with watching SID or RAM under SID but watch/read the player code memory. You may need to process the player data like the player as sometimes there can be 1 or 2 frame desync but you'll eventually get there. That way you can synch on particular patterns, instruments, tune repeat etc. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
@strykker: I do the same. poke $d011,#$45 is a classic for tunes at $1000-
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Hmm, to find timings and such, use Music Wizard (I believe it was made by Faces, wasn't it?) and visually find the patternchanges in the music itself. Isn't it far easier to get into the player itself than analyzing the data it produces? But I figure that depends on what you need it for. |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
Yep, it was made by Faces. Here it is -> ftp://c64.rulez.org/pub/c64/Hall_of_Fame/demofiles/f/faces/util..
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