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2006-12-02 23:35
Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 839
Working with bad lines

hi.

Could someone help me with how to detect the bad lines properly and how to avoid them for raster based routines such as side borders. Would adjusting $d011 at each bad line be the best way?
 
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2006-12-05 01:12
Codey

Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 79
Quote: HCL is right, you have to have the last 4 ($f0) sprites switched on for sideborder WITHOUT FLD (so you can make those nice sideborder DYCPs/pics/plasmas etc) and for side border with FLD (the 1001 crew way :) you have to have all 8 sprites switched on for it to work. I've never seen a demo with sideborder using SIX sprites before.

when i first saw escos i was absolutely baffled. i never knew they used fld to make the timing so simple. makes sense now.
2006-12-05 06:59
MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1060
Escos uses the escos trick, not FLD. With a little $d011 twiddling, you get open top/bottom borders, open screen, but no badlines (and no char/bitmap gfx) and sprites visible. All you need then is $d016 on every line for the sideborder, and a simple plex.
2006-12-05 08:53
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1997
Yes, escos simply open the top/bottom border and at the same time disable the display => all the screen becomes top/bottom border which you open, so you get classic $3fff everywhere + sprites visible. There is a thread about this aswell FYI.
2006-12-05 10:05
Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 839
Ah... NOW I see how it works... I just didn't know what ESCOS actually was until now! It's pretty obvious! Oh how ashamed I am with what I discussed!! =(

Anyway, I've managed to work out how side border routines work now, so thanks very much for your advices! :)
2006-12-05 11:01
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 467
@JA: it's the thread about a "screen with no badline"; ninja already pointed to it here in this thread.

@HCL: hmm, counting cycles gives me four and a half sprites ;p

CF
2006-12-05 12:52
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5034
copy, including the cycles needed for the code ?
2006-12-05 16:33
Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990
@Danzig: Nopes, you can not use any sprites. Sprites 2,3,5,7 for example will not allow open sideborder on badlines.
2006-12-05 23:18
Danzig

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 431
@graham: i ment "in a row" but since if haven't ever tested it all maybe i'm wrong. just can remember using 1-4 and 4-7 but it's all sooo long ago
2006-12-07 08:07
MRT
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Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 149
Blocking thos badlines is oldschool stuf ;-)

2006-12-07 09:12
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5034
LOL :D
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