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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Release id #141198 : Refugees Welcome
I heard, this release needs an extra discussion thread, now go and throw shit everyone :-D |
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wysiwtf
Registered: May 2013
Posts: 16 |
Im completely aware that political opinions differ greatly inside this (and almost any other non political) community, so yeah I expected (and hoped) the release would spawn some comments.
I guess it worked :D
I dont think every 1-voter is a racist asshole: there are probably many reasons to downvote the release (including pure trolling), starting with the fact that the picture is pretty simple and minimalistic (the letters have been caringly hand crafted, tho ;).
Also im very aware that the current flow of refugees poses problems for the national states, economical and cultural ones. But I also see it as our duty to do what we can, many of the conflicts and the terror in the middle east (and in other places of the world) are a direct consequence of western geopolitical decisions so we better learn to eat our own supper.
Take it more as a statement for empathy and humanity than as a political one.
...damn now I did explain myself after all. I need to learn to shut my mouth once in a while ;) |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
I agree with pretty much everything you said....although rather than discussing it on CSDB, anyone who has opinions to express should perhaps make a counter-release. Maybe we need a "refugee crisis competition"? :)
Incidentally, not sure why politics is the scene is suddenly frowned upon, I released a "War on Terror" pic years ago and no-one seemed to care at the time... And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead (and I'm sure there have been many more). |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 454 |
Clearly something very unusual is going on. Very few off-computing issues have raised such a debate at CSDB over the years.
I approve the release, but I'd say it is bit misplaced if it is a political statement pointed towards general discussion about the subject matter in some other media. |
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wysiwtf
Registered: May 2013
Posts: 16 |
Quote: I agree with pretty much everything you said....although rather than discussing it on CSDB, anyone who has opinions to express should perhaps make a counter-release. Maybe we need a "refugee crisis competition"? :)
Incidentally, not sure why politics is the scene is suddenly frowned upon, I released a "War on Terror" pic years ago and no-one seemed to care at the time... And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead (and I'm sure there have been many more).
I think it has something to do with people being bombarded with this very discussion in (social) media and now start to go "oh noes, not here as well!" :p
Those without facebook (like me) are probably less affected ;) |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
open a FB account then. it's free :)
I'm the guilty one who started the discussion, hehe... I've nothing against you and your petscii art, but -yes- when I saw your entry I indeed thought "oh noes, not here as well!".
greetz! Ze' |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
Tim got kicked out of f4cg and he joined g*p. good move, Tim. :P |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Quoting ZeSmasheropen a FB account then. it's free :)
I'm the guilty one who started the discussion, hehe... I've nothing against you and your petscii art, but -yes- when I saw your entry I indeed thought "oh noes, not here as well!".
greetz! Ze'
Or, you know, if you think you're getting flooded with it on Facebook you could close your Facebook account :P |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
yes, either that, or avoiding the flood by closing my CSDb account and leave the scene...
naaaah, my fans will cry, so I can't :)
Cresh: lol |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Quoting ZeSmasheropen a FB account then. it's free :)
I'm the guilty one who started the discussion, hehe... I've nothing against you and your petscii art, but -yes- when I saw your entry I indeed thought "oh noes, not here as well!".
greetz! Ze'
Or, you know, if you think you're getting flooded with it on Facebook you could close your Facebook account :P
I did... (around march) #idiocracy |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
First of all, once these people left Syria and reached a safe place, they are no longer running from oppression or war. Stop calling them refugees.
Secondly, with its sheer naive primitiveness, the only thing this crappy release managed to achieve, is to reduce my already low sympathy towards economic migrants, whilst increasing my dislike facing all those, who - led by their oblivious, ignorant, overly excessive political correctness - support the migrants' uncivilized violation of a sovereign country's laws, borders, and their outright disrespect of European culture and values.
So, thanks, wysiwtf. Great stuff you got there. |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
Video from Hungarian border. How many poor, starving kids do you see there?
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Personally, I don't want such people in my neighborhood or in my country. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quoting Jailbird... and their outright disrespect of European culture and values.
This is why some EU countries start to play the fashist or anti european card, and accepting christian refugees or alike only (they are still at the border there, so still in a refugee state, for the nitpickers).
Of course it is on the other hand totally legit for other members of the EU to come here for a better income or job. They are no economic immigrants of course.
I see :-D
And to list a few more European values to ponder about if they are treated well in all member countries, just before insisting further on European values:
freedom of speech
freedom of travel
freedom of faith
freedom of press |
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Sounx
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Registered: Dec 2006
Posts: 30 |
Jailbird is right.
Real refugees would welcome ANY place where they were treated correctly and could just take a rest. They would be happy with any food and/or drinks they got, they wouldn't throw it away like garbage!!
These are ruthless economic migrants that want to exploit our social system and they bring along a culture of agression and violence with them: They are displaying their real intentions at the Hungarian border!
As this particular release seems to be directed at the masses of economic migrants and dismisses the fact that refugees are very different from those migrants, the message is over-simplified and from my point of view just plain wrong. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting BitbreakerThis is why some EU countries start to play the fashist or anti european card, and accepting christian refugees or alike only (they are still at the border there, so still in a refugee state, for the nitpickers).
What border? They already passed Turkey, Greece (part of EU, mind you), Macedonia and Serbia. So, according to your logic, they'll be refugees as long as they don't enter their country of destination? Read up on the 1951 Geneva Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees: they are not refugees by definition.
Quoting BitbreakerOf course it is on the other hand totally legit for other members of the EU to come here for a better income or job. They are no economic immigrants of course.
No one told otherwise. Sure thing, everyone is an economic migrant who's migrating in order to seek an improvement in living standards. Yet the interesting thing is, up until now, I've never seen people mass rioting on the borders and tossing their own children into the air because they were denied of entering a country due to visa restrictions.
A country's specific policies directed to economic migrants or refugees exist for, yes you guessed it, economical reasons.
Quoting Bitbreakerfreedom of speech
freedom of travel
freedom of faith
freedom of press
All these privileges do not mean you're entitled to do whatever the fuck you want and desire in Europe (or anywhere in the world, for that matter). By having freedom, you do not hold right to disrespect the laws of a country you are residing or want to enter, or worse, to make up your own petty laws without any consequences. Also, you are not warranted to attack legitimate patrons of borders you're not welcome to pass. If you act like a savage, don't expect to be tolerated or accepted, whether you're German, Hungarian or Syrian. You're no more a victim, but a culprit of turmoil and disorder. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
I just don't get this distinction between "real" and "economic" migrants. IMHO it's stupid and pointless. What difference does ot make if we destroy a person's livelihood through bombs or economic measures (trade agreements, industrial overfishing, a forced zero import tax, never kept promises of economic aid etc)? Either way, he cannot take care for his family anymore and needs to go elsewhere to seek work! |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quoting Bitbreakerfreedom of speech
freedom of travel
freedom of faith
freedom of press
All these privileges do not mean you're entitled to do whatever the fuck you want and desire in Europe (or anywhere in the world, for that matter). By having freedom, you do not hold right to disrespect the laws of a country you are residing or want to enter, or worse, to make up your own petty laws without any consequences. Also, you are not warranted to attack legitimate patrons of borders you're not welcome to pass. If you act like a savage, don't expect to be tolerated or accepted, whether you're German, Hungarian or Syrian. You're no more a victim, but a culprit of turmoil and disorder.[/quote]
It is meant the other way round: Are we allowed to refuse people for their wrong faith? And isn't freedom of press in Hungary under high pressure?
Also, those values seem to be good and worth to achieve, that explains why so many want to come here. The differences of the interpretation of those values can be seen in the preferences of destination countries the people have. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Btw: It's not some benevolent altruistic deed to provide shelter for refugees that we can demand gratitude for, but our goddamn duty as countries that have signed the Geneva Convention. Syrians owe us shit, first and foremost no gratitude, since it was us (ie our governments) that helped destroy their country, by economic sanctions, providing weapons to Qatar and Saudiarabia (two of the major supporters of ISIS!) and by supporting the braindead Terrorist- and refugee-genrating Middle-east-meddling of the USA... |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting BitbreakerIt is meant the other way round: Are we allowed to refuse people for their wrong faith?
No, we are not. But the people who are currently denied from entering Hungary are not refused to enter because of their faith (there are plenty of Christians among them).
Quoting BitbreakerAnd isn't freedom of press in Hungary under high pressure?
No. At the moment, some of the most popular news portals are notoriously anti-government. Favored commercial TV stations are also more close to the opposition.
Quoting BitbreakerAlso, those values seem to be good and worth to achieve, that explains why so many want to come here.
As long as they understand and accept civilized values without taking advantage of them, furthermore, actively try assimilate into the culture and society we're embracing and living in - instead of rejecting and standing up against it - I have no problem with anyone coming to live in my neighborhood. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Just to point this out: Syria was doing fine and was economically striving, the people there had a high standard of living, and many religions lived peacefully side by side (which is quite a feat in the middle east!) - when some assholes suddenly decided it was in need for more "democracy", best provided by the religious zealots we've been hedging since the early 80s! It's definately not like ISIS suddenly manifested itself out of thin air: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/14/isis-is-us-the-empire-an.. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
..all of which is, btw, the *exact* same situation as it was in Libya! Both Assad and Gaddafi may not be thoroughbred democrats, but then again: who is? Our governments? That wage wars nobody wants and that negotiate secret agreements that the people are not allowed to know about (TTIP)? Most certainly not!.. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5095 |
freedom of press is not under pressure?
Opposition's klub radio was denied a chanel because in the tender they didnt number the empty back pages? While at the winner this wasnt a problem ?
one of the leading new portal's leader stepped down, because the goverment asked to kick him out, because he asked about travel fees of a politician.
The goverment has made special tax rules to drive off the scene one of the commercial chanels - RTL klub, and currently one of Orban's oligarch is planning to buy the 2nd biggest commercial channel Mr Andrew Vajna (terminator producer), he can allow it hence the goverment got him for cheap almost all Casinos in the country and huge amounts of tax discount.
this country works like russia these days, a little lighter, but it is very similar. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quoting JailbirdQuoting BitbreakerIt is meant the other way round: Are we allowed to refuse people for their wrong faith?
No, we are not. But the people who are currently denied from entering Hungary are not refused to enter because of their faith (there are plenty of Christians among them).
This was directed to the statement from the polish side (Isildur). Yet i haven't even asked how many of those who favour that practice are practising christian belief even :-D My fair guess, many don't give a shit about religion at all (accepted), but shelter behind that as an excuse. |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
Quote: Quoting JailbirdQuoting BitbreakerIt is meant the other way round: Are we allowed to refuse people for their wrong faith?
No, we are not. But the people who are currently denied from entering Hungary are not refused to enter because of their faith (there are plenty of Christians among them).
This was directed to the statement from the polish side (Isildur). Yet i haven't even asked how many of those who favour that practice are practising christian belief even :-D My fair guess, many don't give a shit about religion at all (accepted), but shelter behind that as an excuse.
This was directed to the statement from the polish side (Isildur). Yet i haven't even asked how many of those who favour that practice are practising christian belief even :-D My fair guess, many don't give a shit about religion at all (accepted), but shelter behind that as an excuse.
Quoting JailbirdQuoting BitbreakerIt is meant the other way round: Are we allowed to refuse people for their wrong faith?
This was directed to the statement from the polish side (Isildur). Yet i haven't even asked how many of those who favour that practice are practising christian belief even :-D My fair guess, many don't give a shit about religion at all (accepted), but shelter behind that as an excuse.
I meant their arrogant behavior (riot) not religion.
And about EU fascism, hmmm... this is a quotation about Islam:
"Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim."
How do you like it? |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
What we definately need less of is criticism of foreigners or foreign governments, and more cirticism of something we *can* do something about: Our own governments (and their policies).. Glenn Greenwald has an interesting article on this matter: nnedhttps://theintercept.com/2015/09/15/great-bbc-interview-british.. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
There's no doubt that this is just as fascist, but how many of the peace-seeking immigrants (sic!) stick to that paradigm? Those 94 that i care about in the village i live are all in awe for the bit of help that i and a couple of dozens of others do for them. It is the best practise to overcome fears, prejudices and worries, and also the best source of getting to know their backgrounds and shit that they went through. They fight for their lives and families and would do anything to be successful. Nothing in comparison to our drive that we can bring up in our comfort zone. I'd pretty much also just give a shit on a fence than getting my ass bombed out. Do you really think they have the nerves to ask politely if it is okay for us others to flee? |
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Sounx
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2006
Posts: 30 |
People who believe that at the hungarian border it's 'just' Syrians whose houses have been bombed by 'us', are completely ignorant of the facts and it's very little use debating issues when you even fail to have such elementary knowledge of this situation... |
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wysiwtf
Registered: May 2013
Posts: 16 |
theres no such thing as an evil religion, its always down to the people how to get along with each other (and im not a big fan of religions in general).
there are many examples of very peaceful muslim communities (here in germany and everyhwere else).
what makes people go radical and drives them into the hands of self prcolaimed "spiritual leaders" is the sheer amount of unbalance in wealth, knowledge and freedom on this planet and something tells me that closing borders and building walls to protect "whats rightfully ours" (is it really?) while continueing to make a happy profit with military equipment and weapons doesnt help that much either.
this world is very, very large and complex and no single mind can ever understand whats going on in detail. so maybe instead of trying to know everything better we should just concentrate on the basic virtues that make us and our society human and the "highest evolved species" we are so very proud of in the first place...
tl;dr: make love not war.
now you can call me a fucking hippie or something... |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quote: People who believe that at the hungarian border it's 'just' Syrians whose houses have been bombed by 'us', are completely ignorant of the facts and it's very little use debating issues when you even fail to have such elementary knowledge of this situation...
Feel free to explain it in detail to us uneducated, ignorant and uninformed people. |
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Fierman
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 85 |
Funny I never saw people complaining about these excellent examples of 'freedom of speech' in c64 scene:
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 277 |
i find it very humorist and relevant for the subject we are dealing for. John Cleese talking about the Syria refugees (for the ppl who didn't read it yet)
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.
Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels ..
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.
Regards, John Cleese British writer, actor, and tall person |
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Dr.j
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 277 |
When a man is going to die or suffer extremely (or his family are in a real danger ), he don't give a fuck to his religion or faith or land therefore a lot of the refugees are changing their faith to christian to be saved to a better world . this make wars of religious cause (like ISIS) to primitive and stupid and unacceptable. ppl should to wring the source of the massive transportation of refugees which is ISIS which take control on a lot of Syria cities and Lybia and doing horrible acts which i i don't want to describe. the refugees is a cause not the source. so make solution for the source :) |
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wysiwtf
Registered: May 2013
Posts: 16 |
playing jokes on country-stereotypes is so old it has got a beard from here to Oslo.
nevertheless I have to admit I had to laugh ;D |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Quoting Isildur
I meant their arrogant behavior (riot) not religion.
And about EU fascism, hmmm... this is a quotation about Islam:
"Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim."
How do you like it?
Just like Christianity then:
Deuteronomy 13:13-17:
" 13 that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, Let us go worship other godsgods you have not known before. 14 In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, 15 you must attack that town and completely destroy[a] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. 16 Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. 17 Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors."
(and before you interject that this is from the old testament, not the new testament, the new testament contains several statements as to the old testament still being valid).
Well, I guess it's not quite equivalent, because the bible seems very keen to eke out death penalties for its own believers too, for things as grievous as dishonouring your parents, adultery, cursing your parents, hitting your parents, not listening to priests, ...
That said, I'm sure you could find matching verses in the Quran too. After all, this is religion we're talking about. Different shit, but all still shit. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quoting TaoAfter all, this is religion we're talking about. Different shit, but all still shit.
Written by people, reportedly dictated by god. Transmission errors happen... |
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Sounx
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2006
Posts: 30 |
Quote: Feel free to explain it in detail to us uneducated, ignorant and uninformed people.
Oh please... Don't feel belittled now! No need.
It's different nationalities with different intentions. Hence my remark that just welcoming these 'refugees' is a simplification of a very serious matter. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
[edit]Inferior[/edit] Atari Refugees Welcome |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
Quote: [edit]Inferior[/edit] Atari Refugees Welcome
nooo! those atari refugees will code c64 demos for less money and we'll all get jobless soonish... |
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wysiwtf
Registered: May 2013
Posts: 16 |
i hear some even come from pc countries and i also heard they are an uncivilized bunch of resource wasting bastards. we cannot let them infiltrate our system!!1one |
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The Phantom
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 360 |
A great read... Thanks everyone...
Not that I want to get involved, but we've the same problem here in America. Obama just let them in and released them all over the country.
The problem I have with this is they drain an already abused system. Can't speak a lick of English, unless, of course, it benefits them.
We "only" have what, 11 million illegal immigrants in our country.
Our motto should be:
"Come to the USA illegally. We'll give you a license, food stamps, home and everything your heart desires."
Our own people don't get treated as well as illegals do and sadly, something is wrong with that. |
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Axis/Oxyron
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Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
Quoting The PhantomWe "only" have what, 11 million illegal immigrants in our country.
I´m pretty sure, when I ask a native american, he will tell me that there are 318 mio. illegal immigrants in his country.
Oops, was that me thinking or typing? |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
As a native American I can tell you that it doesn't matter what we think, our peoples were conquered in war. Just like so many other peoples all over the world ...
Any sovereign nation has the right to close their borders, these "refugees" don't have any footing to demand entrance, etc. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
and everything started with aliens civilizing our world in 5000 B.C. in Egypt.
trainer menu:
"do you want to play with that theory?"
"do you prefer to play with the maya one instead?"
"do you want to reset hiscore?" <- this trainer always gives the cracker some extra points...
...
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: As a native American I can tell you that it doesn't matter what we think, our peoples were conquered in war. Just like so many other peoples all over the world ...
Any sovereign nation has the right to close their borders, these "refugees" don't have any footing to demand entrance, etc.
"Any sovereign nation has the right to close their borders, these "refugees" don't have any footing to demand entrance, etc."
That's exactly what Hungary is doing and for what Hungary is being blamed. Europe is currently in moral panic, let's hope there won't be another Hitler born to use the oportunity... |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Quoting ZeSmasher when I saw your entry I indeed thought "oh noes, not here as well!".
greetz! Ze'
Me too ...... |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2254 |
Quote: nooo! those atari refugees will code c64 demos for less money and we'll all get jobless soonish...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUTnNKhF-EU
Otherwise, I belong to the people who do care about the situation. You see it on TV and in the news 24-7 and it's real, refugee crowds on the streets waiting in front of authorities became huge recently, there's a lot of chaos, there's xenophophia in Germany (rather less than more than in other EU countries) but also a lot of help and understanding.
However, I could also do fine without moralizing demos or even discussing politics in c64-related forums. Judging from my experience, mostly on forum64.de, politics and C64 forums do not go together very well. Weirdos with extreme opinions clash, normally reasonable people take sides. And in the end, there's always a big deal of drama, flaming, bloodshed, censorship, ragequitting, banning... Hmh, okay, having typed that, I change my mind: Actually you can never have enough of that, so keep it up ;) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
It is one thing to discuss C64 releases and how a political message might give this or that release a particular quality or appearance and other thing to embark on purely political discussions of issues that has nothing to do with the C64 or the C64 scene. This thread seem to be leaning towards the latter now at least in some of the posts so maybe it is time to close it? (There is a whole internet for discussions like that.) |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quote: It is one thing to discuss C64 releases and how a political message might give this or that release a particular quality or appearance and other thing to embark on purely political discussions of issues that has nothing to do with the C64 or the C64 scene. This thread seem to be leaning towards the latter now at least in some of the posts so maybe it is time to close it? (There is a whole internet for discussions like that.)
The scene is international, and actually open to any competitors of any nation and we are glad to welcome guests from other nations on demo parties. There's also challenged people in the scene, and also people with different sexual preferences. All without any big hassle. So it is in some point pretty close to the question what is wrong with welcoming people from other nations. I thought it is the most normal thing in the scene but learnt it to be the other way round now? :-D |
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Mr.Ice
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 13 |
Quote: The scene is international, and actually open to any competitors of any nation and we are glad to welcome guests from other nations on demo parties. There's also challenged people in the scene, and also people with different sexual preferences. All without any big hassle. So it is in some point pretty close to the question what is wrong with welcoming people from other nations. I thought it is the most normal thing in the scene but learnt it to be the other way round now? :-D
Right. As long as newcomers are not destroying other people's hardware on the parties and are not committing shit to the VICE repo.
It's interesting that the vast majority of refugees think that they find safe place to live only in Germany. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quoting Mr.Ice
It's interesting that the vast majority of refugees think that they find safe place to live only in Germany.
They should go to Netherlands, they actually host the most awesome demoparty :-D |
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Mr.Ice
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 13 |
Quote: Quoting Mr.Ice
It's interesting that the vast majority of refugees think that they find safe place to live only in Germany.
They should go to Netherlands, they actually host the most awesome demoparty :-D
It looks like crossing the border never been easier, so why bother living so low;) |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
So, Germany how it's going? Still positive? |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Quote: So, Germany how it's going? Still positive?
Yes, still positive, as our government did not move hard to the right so far :-D That are the most negative effects for Europe that happen due to that, that everyone moves back to nationalistic positions. But it can be doubted that this is the refugees fault.
Also, still no assraped women here, and no torn of heads, also nothing got stolen (this was poland's realm anyway, just to stir some stupid prejudices, hahaha), my children were not eaten so far, and the holy cross on our churches did not morph into a half-moon. |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
Good to hear. I was asking because I saw some thrilling YT refugees videos from Germany.
also nothing got stolen (this was poland's realm anyway, just to stir some stupid prejudices, hahaha)
yay, very funny, so should I recall some german realms? |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
I'd prefer if you'd do a demo about it!
Also if videos are shared, be sure they are from RT, Kopp Nachrichten, or Compact TV ... |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Thank you for your reports from the front line, Bitbreaker.
I gather some Germans have been having a terribly disappointing time, like this guy
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/this-guy-shared-the-perfe.. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
OTOH, I must apologise for my own government's response, which has been nothing short of horrific.
google Nauru detention centre if you want to think less of humanity in general, and Australians in particular :( |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
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