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2005-03-05 11:27
Graham
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Group id #666 : Upfront

upfront - a group with lots of unreleased demos. does someone have contact to ex-members or maybe even have some unreleased demos/previews of them in their diskbox?
2005-03-05 14:53
Twoflower

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434
Yes. What about that demo they released at the Dexion Xmas Conference, for example. And by the way, someone ought to sort up the Einstein-matter. Some retard have added Einstein of Upfront as the editor of several issues of the WOW magazine called "Internal". Haven't checked this up, but I doubt i'm wrong about this.
2005-03-07 19:14
Matt

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598
eheh,
einstein was never a member of upfront.
unless he never wanted to tell me about it ;)
einstein of WOW that is.
2005-03-07 19:29
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
Let's just say that 'Einstein' isn't the most original handle ever (there was also one in Cosmos if I remember correctly). However the Upfront one was probably the most talented of the bunch.
2005-03-07 21:50
Matt

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don't think so.
einstein was a demo from cosmos, not a member
2005-03-07 21:56
TDJ

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Quote: don't think so.
einstein was a demo from cosmos, not a member


You are ofcourse correct.

Ah, if only there was some kind of site where I could check these facts beforehand!
2005-03-07 22:08
Matt

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8)
you're right tho einstein probably wasn't the most original handle ever hehe 8)
2007-12-17 00:32
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
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I'm pretty sure I added their unreleased demo from the Dexion Xmas party 1990, or checked that it had been added. Now it's gone.

Is it reason enough for deleting a demo that it's unreleased? I'm pretty sure it's not just me who can remember they competed with a demo there, even though I can't even remember the name.
2007-12-17 00:57
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:

Is it reason enough for deleting a demo that it's unreleased?


generelly, yes. more specifically, when there is an entry without a file, and no good reason given why there is no file, then it will get removed within a reasonable time (most of the time, that has been years after the entry was created).
2007-12-17 01:09
Graham
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Then party entries are not needed at all, because parties are no releases.
2007-12-17 01:10
chatGPZ

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yeah and sceners arent releases either! *slap*
2007-12-17 09:03
Cruzer

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It just feels like revisionism when looking at Dexion X-Mas Conference 90 and not seeing Upfront's demo which I believe was number 3.

It might not have been released, but a bunch of sceners still saw it, and therefore it's part of scene history and should IMO be represented in a database like this.
2007-12-17 09:58
SIDWAVE
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Offcourse!
Deleting unreleased demos is just super super laaame!
2007-12-17 10:55
Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338
I agree 100% with Cruzer, just because a demo that was in a compo wasn't released, or was released later in a different version doesn't mean it (or the original version) shouldn't have an entry in the database. It took part in the compo, so it is part of the scene history, file or no file.
2007-12-17 11:11
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
If it's good enough for a compo, it's good enough for the scene.

A rule for scene compos should be that the organisers hold all rights to publish competition entries.
2007-12-17 16:36
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386
let me clear this up, maybe my comment was misleading. we will NOT delete anything when there is a proof for existance (like, if it took part in a competition). we will also NOT delete anything when there is a reason like "i dont have the file because its lost, blabla".

the purpose for such deleting is keeping the database clean, not to revise history.

now, if you can tell how exactly the demo was named then i can look it up. (unfortunatly i need the name, perff is going to fix this soon i hope =P)
2007-12-18 11:04
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
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I can't remember the name. Guess I added it as "Unreleased Demo" or something, and hoped someone could remember the name and would update it. I don't have any other proof than remembering it from the compo, and I'm sure others do too, at least Slammer and Glasnost/CML who got inspired by the text zoomer to do some sideborder versions.
2007-12-18 11:14
cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935
It's here again (Unknown), it was me who had deleted it.

In this case as there is no file and no name I thought it
was useless to have it here.

Since Cruzer has added more stuff here without files and
after asking several times for uploading them, I guess I
finally got a bit fed up and deleted this one.

Niels
2007-12-18 11:23
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048
Thanx! \o/ Not that it can be used for much, but at least I think it's better to add stuff without files or even names, and hope someone will see it and update it.
2007-12-18 15:33
chatGPZ

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so now *please* update the entry with a proper reason for not uploading a file :)
2007-12-18 16:31
Cruzer

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Added a reason, hope it's proper.
2007-12-18 16:47
chatGPZ

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reason yes, place no. hit "update" and put it into the "reason for not adding a download link" box :=P
2007-12-18 17:03
Cruzer

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Done, hadn't seen that field before.
2007-12-18 17:04
chatGPZ

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