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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Release id #34889 : Karate Kid
I am objecting Strongly to the inclusion of this blatant rip off in this database.
I think u can guess why.
Steve |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
i can guess your reason, but it's not a reason to remove it from the database at all. |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
just delete the damn thing, it has no value at all |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
thats true for a whole lot of the stuff uploaded here, still no reason :) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
You could have just set graphic credits to STE'86 and leave a comment about it like "this was stolen from by gfx from here: <insert link to original work of yours>. I've set it right now. Simple as that.
CSDb is for documenting C64 scene, INCLUDING ripoffs of any kind, graphics, musics, re-cracks, any other lame actions.
@Jan: Your "it has no value" is just a subjective reaction. Someone could delete you entire "sid history" because for his taste you've produced just garbage since now. It's just an example, I hope you'll understand this, someday. |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
This site is for preserving history not changing it. Lame move to do what they did sure. Does this mean that it should be removed. Not really. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
I'm with Ian, leave it there and it's got comments now explaining it's stolen, add a credit for Ste, link to his original that way people who think it's ok to pretend stuff is their own actually get found out rather than vanishing...
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fade
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvFormOyvBQ |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
lol posting that stereotype in a thread about stealing peoples stuff, coming from someone who stereotypically comes from a colony of criminals... about right then. |
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fade
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
tra la la lalalala worrrrrrld cup
P.S. This pic looks like a bukkake good time :D |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
so why exactly is this a "valid" scene release?
if i today took Veto's (for example) latest pic and replaced his name with mine and reuploaded it under my "released by", would that be a "valid" scene relase?
would u lot let that go?
would you fck.
Steve
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fade
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
Yes we would, if it was under the header of 'fake demo' :) |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 496 |
I understand the feeling - but i have to agree with the argument of documentation.
Some examples: Warlock (a retouched version..) and Lost Soul (utter lameness). There are loads of these.
Adding the right info would solve it imho.
Funny thing nowadays is that some of these gfx get deleted by the 'author' themselves - when other ppl find out. (mostly coming from the same circles nowadays - you know who you are :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:
if i today took Veto's (for example) latest pic and replaced his name with mine and reuploaded it under my "released by", would that be a "valid" scene relase?
would u lot let that go?
would you fck.
yes we would. we would also laugh at you and point fingers at you =)
Quote:Funny thing nowadays is that some of these gfx get deleted by the 'author' themselves - when other ppl find out.
indeed, typically emberassing ripped and/or converted crap :o) it's not only pictures though, also demos and tunes that people try to remove from history. needless to say that we revert such actions. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
What about f ex Aphrodite Demo 1? |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 110 |
Back then it was quite cool if you could rip music and graphics from original games, change it, pack together and show the world how good you are with your Power cartridge. How many times the cars from Test Drive were ripped? Countless! You call it lame.. in the early days it was cool. Live with it, STE... that was part of the demoscene in '85 - 88 and that belongs to this database.
I know your feeling, but judge it with nowadays insights. It's crazy when you recall your 25 years old rights.. stop whining :) true, your rights will formally stay for 50 years, but no one cares and you'll win nothing when this entry will be deleted. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
There's still a big difference with ripping and ripping off. We (Ste and myself) used to do demos in the the 80s with graphics from games be they loading screens, ingame graphics, sprites etc as well as using Ste's original graphics but we NEVER took the names off bitmaps and as far as I remember credited every source we used (even one of the Testdrive cars). Ste's stuff has been used in plenty of demos, sometimes altered (his Alien pic for example) but it's nothing but a compliment IF people give credit where it's due.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
somehow the hillarious kimmel vs hubbard thing comes to mind :o) |
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Marauder/GSS
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Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 224 |
Quote: There's still a big difference with ripping and ripping off. We (Ste and myself) used to do demos in the the 80s with graphics from games be they loading screens, ingame graphics, sprites etc as well as using Ste's original graphics but we NEVER took the names off bitmaps and as far as I remember credited every source we used (even one of the Testdrive cars). Ste's stuff has been used in plenty of demos, sometimes altered (his Alien pic for example) but it's nothing but a compliment IF people give credit where it's due.
Agree, removing/changing signatures is a lame action and sure the most were done by lamers and not the real groups.
Even some of my tools, music-rips or lame crunchers were altered by removing logo or names, so what!?
Anyway I see no reason for deleting the entry. The stuff got spread that way and therefor it's a valid entry here.
Ofcourse, as already said, set the real credits and add some comments or trivia and links to the original picture...
btw, would be nice if you could set/add links in the entry to other entries/productions, some kind of "refers to" or so. Then you could link the fakes together with the original one... not sure the comments stay forever, hehe
just an idea... |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
Comments can be changed/deleted only by authors of the comment, while credits and all the rest of the infos can be changed by anyone if the entry is not locked. Admins can restore comments even if deleted by the authors, if it's really needed to restore some useful information. So there's no worry about loosing informations even if it's inside comments. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
"Admins can restore comments even if deleted by the authors"
note "admins". ie, perff. mods even cant see them :) |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: somehow the hillarious kimmel vs hubbard thing comes to mind :o)
I had the guy who did the music for our Gallery demo threaten to petrol bomb my house because when he was trying to show his stuff around software houses one of them told him, "not until you stop using Hubbard's code". He presumed I'd been telling everyone... I think most people used Hubbard's routine at one point, especially when the alternatives were Electrosound et al. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
that said, it would be interesting how many *really* used it :) ian? :) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
use sidid =) there's signatures for both
Jeroen_Kimmel
Rob_Hubbard
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
i dont even have hvsc on my hd, let alone sid related tools =P |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197 |
For the stats maniacs, this is the complete list of detected players in HVSC#53
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Statistics:
Identified 37253
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Total files examined 38714
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AüMTRöN
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 44 |
Where is Mr. Mouse? We *NEED* a graph! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Only 2885 Future Composers? Back when I entered the scene in the late 80s it seemed like billions. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
@Rough: I guess it should be kept in mind that some tunes were reused in several different productions. There is probably a billion of releases that use those tunes. ;) |
