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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Handle id #15647 : B. Howarth
This is not a scener.
I repeat: this is not a scener.
Please don't add pros here, the database is convulted enough as it is.
Thank you. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I understand your point, Steppe.
But there are some points of debate:
1) B. Howarth could as well have just made the adventure story or map and not code a single byte.
2) Games can very well be a part of the scene, even if they're shitty BASIC productions: I see my old stuff and the first steps towards who and what I am today and so they are part of my history as a scener.
3) We are taking this to a broader spectrum, while in fact we are discussing these two text adventures in particular and at the same time debate over the thin line between what _is_ and what _isn't_ suitable for CSDb.
I will delete *both* adventures and *both* creators in the meantime. If what TDJ says is true, namely that one of 'm wrote a scrolltext, the discoverer of that fact can add the chap again.
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In this respect I could even debate over the fact how much Rob Hubbard is a scener. He has only been added to the CSDb, so ppl can credit him for the music they used.
Ok, granted... he made a few demos and wrote some text. But it's the general idea I'm referring to. |
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T.M.R
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
The writing of demos and taking part in the scene (through Compunet) makes Hubbard eligible; if someone has "discovered" the scene in the form it was in at that point and been involved in a scene production directly, there's a good indication they're a scener. Simply producing a demo out isn't an indication, but actively getting involved in the scene, chatting online (since Compunet had a chat system) or over the phone to other sceners and working with them (he produced music specifically for Stoat&Tim's Call of the Wild as well as his own Zoolook Moozook demo) is. =-)
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Sure, I see your point Mace. It's not that your entries are completely off the line from your point of view.
And besides, I knew it was all Zyron's fault from the beginning! ;-) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Let's conclude that due to the rather open nature of CSDb and not too well defined thin lines around the scene, we'll be having this kind of discussions about entries more often.
If you don't agree with an entry, change or delete it or PM the person who made it. In a civilised way. ;-)
And yeah, it was Zyron all the time! |
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T.M.R
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
i have no idea, but it's Zyron's fault!!1one |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
I take full responsibility for everything non-scene related that's been added to CSDb. It was all part of my evil plan but now you've ruined it. It's TDJ's fault! Boooh.. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Ok, it's TDJ's fault, but Zyron is to blame and Perff should fix it. |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 434 |
@Mace: Ok, there's no need to shout. It's just that this is the... umpteenth time this happens. For claritys sake - even if Brian Howarth was a scener in some way, the two text-adventures you added wouldn't be valid. They were either 1) commercial productions 2)public domain/shareware, non scene-related productions or 3) made by authors with no connection whatsoever with the scene and not made with the intent to be shared or focused on in. These games were made for the interactive fiction community on the C-64 back then.
But really, there should be some text describing what is suitable to add and not in this database, eventhough I personally believe the word "scene" is rather hard to misinterpret. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
...and so I deleted the entries. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Amen.
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