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2011-06-18 16:19
bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
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Release id #95045 : North & South +

Hmmm... which Lethal is that? Could it be Lethal ? Or a completely different one?
2011-06-18 19:42
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197
my guess isn't Vengeance's Lethal because the group dissolved in 1988 while there are cracks from 1991 from this group. There are no hint in the scroller those cracks were actually done in 1991 so could be late cracks from the polish Lethal.
There are only 4 around so far, uploaded Tube Madness + and set them all to Lethal (poland) until someone knows something better.
2011-06-18 22:20
Rough
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Look at the screenshot (saying 'de blouw bloesen'), this a 3rd, Dutch Lethal.

Or maybe a single scener Lethal/Powers of Pain?!
2011-06-18 22:53
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3197
In the scroller "they" always speak at plural: "we came to spread", "we're the best" "who we are you'll never know, silence is the word ruling is our show", "guess who we are????? hahah wrong" and so on.
If they wanted to be a "secret" group, they wouldn't have used a know scener name. Unless they used reverse psychology =)
Anyway these cracks seems not done by someone who hasn't cracked/trained before.
who knows... let's create a different group then.
2011-06-19 12:21
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966
Looks kinda dutch to me. The logo reminds me of some 90's dutch style.
2011-06-20 16:17
bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
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Also the English does not sound like English with "Polish accent" (and not like native English either). Can anyone translate "de blouw bloesen" for me? The blue blouse?! :)
2011-06-20 19:11
j0x

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
"De Blauwbloezen" is the name of the comic (The Bluecoats) in Dutch, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Tuniques_Bleues .

Based on this, I guess the group could be Flemish as well as Dutch.
2011-06-20 20:10
Rough
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Quote: Looks kinda dutch to me. The logo reminds me of some 90's dutch style.

Yep. Reminds of House/Sense Designs, Mc-T-Fly.
2011-06-21 07:36
Acidchild

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 476
please check also the 3 demos that i've uploaded from this group.
2011-06-21 11:11
Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570
If you look at the logo used in the Lethal crackintro you see some similarity to logos from House Designs:



I guess Karl was responsible for both logos.

I also found out that House Designs released a North & South + crack too.

Looking at the files you'll see that they're exactly the same in size.
I've checked some other cracks of North & South and saw difference in filesize.
Quite some coincidence that they used the same levelpacker (with the same options) huh?
Also the directory 'styling' have some similarities and the trainer is the same.

You could assume that one of the 2 are recracks but I am almost convinced that Lethal has something to do with House Designs. Also the use of tunes of House Designs musicians (I only checked the No Women Allowed demo) made me think.
Maybe they tried to spread confusion (which is not that uncommon in the scene).

So, maybe somebody else could further investigate this :)
2011-06-21 12:36
Rough
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Lamer label? Too much spare time? ;) Or, what I personally believe most, making House Designs a 100% legal label and so seperating from illegal activities by founding Lethal.

The North&South / House crack doesn't speak against these theories cause information can be confusing within groups, hence there are cracks of Chromance which we also released under Gulas.
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