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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
2SID competitions.
Hello everyone.
I've only noticed for while that some various people are now starting to work on these 2SID (6 voice and 2 filter) songs. Although not as popular as standard SIDs, I believe these are quite fun to do, as you have more flexibility to include more than one filter and play more than one instrument which needs two voices, such as the $57 vocal trick for example.
Of course not everyone has a real c64 with an extended SID, but in today's world most people now use an emulator for quick viewing on music entries, which of course the emulators now have the option to include double SID emulation.
Up to now, it seems that Silesia Party in Poland will be holding the first 2SID competition ever in the scene. Would it be a good idea to start these 2SID competitions in general? Similar to those current SID compos that CreaMD usually holds, a 2SID section could be held as well.
Afaik, GoatTracker 2.61 Stereo is the only available music editor to compose these 2SID tunes, but soon there may be some similar editors on the c64.
What's your opinions on this? |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
Fred, thankyou! In JSidplay i can crank up the Volume to +6db which makes the replay okish. So the original replay volume is already very very low. Can't say why though. Is there a way to raise the volume for java programms, or a global variable that controls the volume? |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 284 |
Dano, can you please test the volume difference with jsiddevice 1.4.1 / acid64 and compare them to sidplay/w 2.6? Jsiddevice 1.4.1 is based on resid-fp while the latest jsidplay2 is based on resid 1.0 which is not a good comparison with sidplay/w 2.6 which is also based on resid-fp. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
sidplay2.6w is my standard sidplayer here. plays fine with a really loud volume. the win7 mixer level peaks about at 50%.
the same sid via jsidplay/acid64 plays at about a third, maybe half, the volume and is deliberatly quieter in replay than sidplay2.6w. |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 284 |
Dano, there is a difference between jsidplay2 and jsiddevice. You can use ACID64 with jsidplay2 or with jsiddevice.
I just found the volume problem in jsiddevice. You can get the new version of JSidDevice 1.4.2 here:
http://www.acid64.com/download/jsiddevice/jsiddevice-1.4.2.zip
Also I recommend to use Java 7 for jsiddevice.
Let me know if it works for you. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3136 |
I can say that now it's even louder than before =)
now you can even set digiboost. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
that was fast, fred! :) here at work i'd say sidplay2.6w und acid64 with the new DLL are equally high in volume- very nice! will post how it performs on the laptop at home. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
on the laptop sidplay2.6w still seems to replay louder than acid64 and the new dll. yet the difference isn't that noticeable anymore. so it's fine for me now. only when playing the same sid in both players at once you may see a difference in levels.. |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 284 |
Thanks for testing. I can't hear a difference here. It could be that the little difference you see/hear is related to different resampling setting or the slightly different implementation. E.g. dithering is used in JSidDevice, I don't know if Sidplay2 is doing this. The default resampling setting for jsiddevice is decimate and for Sidplay2 it is I think resample. You can configure this in the preference menu in ACID64 and set it to resample. I don't think this should affect the volume but maybe you will notice a difference.
If your soundcard is supporting multiple devices or you have multiple soundcards, make sure you select the same one as sidplay2 in the settings menu of JSidDevice (right click on the JSidDevice tray icon). |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 284 |
I've now tested it on my laptop as well and it appeared that the Java Sound Audio Engine was selected as device (when you use Java 6 this device is available) which has a lower volume for some reason. Make sure you select the Primary Sound Driver and you will notice a higher volume. For JSidDevice 1.4.2 the primary sound driver is the default when you didn't run any jsiddevice version before. If you install Java 7 then you don't have this device anymore and don't have the problem. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
installed java7 on the laptop now, too. thought i had it installed, but the browser install just installed the 64bit variant. after installing the 32bit variant i now can choose the primary sound driver in jsiddevice.
now acid64 plays even louder than sidplay 2.6w! yay, nice!
what i'd wish now was to make the gui a little more nicer and more features! :) like the ability to create different playlists and maybe even share them via internet (a nice idea deekay came up with).
one thing you should think of is displaying the stil info in a sizeable panel right of the volume bars. there's so much unused space. :) |
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