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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Profession: *supporter*
I think we need some general name for profession like supporter, or something around that (can't think of better name for profession). I would like to give 10 to Xiny6581 for his C64 SID audio recording efforts. Really appreciated.
Also there are others like him I spot around CSDB. Working hard to keep this database consitent, adding more and more data, and relations. That's totally awesome. Love you all. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
i think you should have both "fulltime supporter" and "parttime supporter" |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Awesome idea! I'd like to propose logo graphician supporter and full screen graphician supporter too! |
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dmd
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 8 |
Don't forget driver, d**e and beer suppliers, too. :) |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
How about some pics of kittens. That's what this thread is missing. Anyway, I would like to vote for people who do good, and what I expected is someone turning up with better name for such votable trait. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
i dont even want to think of the silly amount of people who would claim such "supporter" credits. what makes someone a "supporter" anyway? doing "something" for "someone"? =P |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
It was just an idea. I wish I could give votes for slavework that isn't listed in standard jobs and I hoped that public discussion could help to find some solution for that. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
what the world got to, we need virtual buttons and votes to tell someone we think what he's doing is great ;) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098 |
being able to vote for the people supporting supporters would also be nice, then the circlejerk could become a true circle and everybody wins!
and +1 for slave credit \o/ |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: what the world got to, we need virtual buttons and votes to tell someone we think what he's doing is great ;)
it got into the state, when outsmarting other people and mocking up their thoughts became more popular than actual attempt to understanding them and shutting up when one doesn't have to add anything valuable to the topic. |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
Roman, I _love_ what Xiny6581 does. And actually I guess he does not demand his effort to be voted in here.
How do you measure a support, anyway?
What I believe is that you need to rest after Forever. ;)
And what I may read from the usual bunch from Poland it was a blast. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
No.
If anything CSDb needs less credit categories. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Roman, what if you write him a pm, on how much you appreciate his work :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Cresh: How much more rest I need. I slept for over 8 hours since I returned yesterday. ;-) This is me raising question not getting the answers, then raising voice to get "kids" back on track in order to (possibly) get some more mature answers. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Roman, what if you write him a pm, on how much you appreciate his work :)
I did better. I showed my appreciation in the place where it's seen by everybody and also shared his efforts over the interwebs, which is not the thing this topic was about. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: No.
If anything CSDb needs less credit categories.
Which one would you remove? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: Awesome idea! I'd like to propose logo graphician supporter and full screen graphician supporter too!
After seeing your credit in Leon's pic, this makes perfect sense. |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
I would vote for a "mascot" category. Ugha would get 10/10 from me. :D |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2241 |
We have more meaningless "professions":
- Co-Organizer
- Co-SysOP
- FTP-Supporter
-> what's the point, why not just lable all those guys Organizer etc.
I wouldn't have any problem if we follow CreamD's suggestion after deleting the three above. Maybe replace the three above by
- Supporter
- Side Show
- Drama Queen |
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Firehawk
Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 31 |
How about "groupie"? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Or Sidekick |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
co-sysop is a legit category, only a fresh newb off the boat would think otherwise ;)
webzine editor ... come on
credits:
design, idea, and concept should all be merged into one if not removed outright
storyboard is worthless |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Seriously: I am with Moloch. :) |
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Sounx
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2006
Posts: 30 |
Yep I agree with Moloch.
However, if common sense looses out to credit-fetish-ism (again) I would like to propose a support-category for both humans and animals.
My dog has been soooo supportive of all my pixeling attempts...
Still wondering where the 'scrolltext writer' and 'coffee maker' credits have gone... ;-) |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 255 |
We also need a Fluffer category - time to give credit to those who keep us going and going. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
And add Drama Dolphin category for Fungus. He will add a few, I am sure. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
moloch++ |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
Don't forget the paymember category. |
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White Flame
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 136 |
We also need a profession for the ranting weirdos whose fulltime job seems to be giving the scene entertainment & drama. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 368 |
We need hard "Lacksäufer" and "Eierläufer" !!! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
also "im lamerkeller"! |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 368 |
You forgot "Wannabelite"! |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
Moloch++
And delete "Importer" profession while at it. The "import" tag nobody dares to explain in more detail on releases are sufficient already. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
Can't agree about the deletion of importer, some people are listed in groups simply as importers. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
what does an "importer" do then anyway, besides swapping and/or cracking? |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
In the US part of the scene importers would call contacts or Euro boards and import the release. The term faded out over the years as modems and calling cards for Euros were easier to come by.
Totally different than swapping (mail) and cracking.
Not surprising that Euros don't see the need for the term, as I can only think of a handful of Euros importing releases. A good example of importing to Europe is Side of Hotline.
Its a legit term, like cracker or graphician, and should remain as a credit category. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
that makes tons of "imports" not imports, because they were actually mailtraded from eg german to poland (also all the imports from uk to canada. etc) :)
what exactly is the difference between "importer" and "modem trader" then? |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
I've never read the term "modem trader" used in a release or as a job in a group.
I guess that is closer to runner than anything else.
... and precursor to PC courier groups there were C64 "runner groups" and even a few diskmags supporting them (ie: Runners World diskmag)
I guess the most famous, or infamous slaves, were the "zipfile" runners working for Toxic Roadkill |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
I have added a LOT of pure importers to the database. Their only function was to import cracks from, say, Norway to Denmark, and add an intro. Very common back in 85-87. The Hulk from Reflex comes to mind. |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
Remove importer? No. Just no. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I definitly remember importer groups(intros) and profession (imported by) from scrolltexts, from my heydays with the c64. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:I've never read the term "modem trader" used in a release or as a job in a group.
does that really matter? we dont want to add all and every silly thing that you can read in some groups memberstatus, right? (if so, we need much more silly things than "supporter". "driver" comes to mind, for example :o))
Quote:Their only function was to import cracks from, say, Norway to Denmark, and add an intro.
however, according to moloch it requires someone from US to download from euro board, or the other way around.
coming back to countzeros point - if you cant explain *precisely* what "importers" do, in a way that can be understood by anyone who "wasnt there", then you should rethink. (it seems easier to explain "logo graphician" vs "fullscreen graphician" - and those are no less silly) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
No, I said that is what you did on the US side of the scene as an importer.
I explained, and so did hedning, exactly what an importer does. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
Ack to groepaz. And thats actually my point as well: what defines the importer (or makes him any different from a modem trader, a term which was more common when I called the boards)?
I would roughly define a release _import_ to be at least transferred from one video system to another and checked for compatibility (by the importing person/group). Wouldnt be the case on any PAL-2-PAL or NTSC-2-NTSC "import" as IMHO the basic rule for any such upload is always to add "something of value" to the original release. The original crack being imported and "pre-checked" in this case. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
@CZ - When I called the boards, before your time and during the time you called boards, I never heard the term modem trader. I've got to assume this is some Euro scene creation, probably an evolution of the term runner. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:I explained, and so did hedning, exactly what an importer does.
no, you didnt. *exactly* means just that. i must be able to take your explanation literally and apply it to a given case, without prior knowledge. ie according to you or hedning, "importing" from one town to the next doesnt count. (ie what half the canadian scene was about =))
edit: i think you guys should make a list of all the existing professions and their *exact* definition. then it will be obvious which are useful and which are redundant. (and it will also be very useful for everyone trying to add proper credits) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Importers don't necessary work with modem trading. In my example above they often imported through snail mail. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
So they were people actually swapping but "capable enough" of adding $nothingbuttheirnameorgroup to the many programs they exchanged with others in the scenario hedning drew?
As groepaz said. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
C0: If you would call f.ex. Hawk International (importing swedish Triad-cracks to Denmark) or Ace Crackings (importing german stuff to Denmark) lame; yes. |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
From 2015's perspective it looks so much different, and yes, can be called lame. Think 1989, be fair. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
agree, in 89 you couldnt just click a download button, it needed quite some effort to import over continents.build contacts, reputation, etc. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
for the most part it was "have parents with enough money to get you a phoneline and modem" though |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508 |
Suggestion: for each 10 releases one can unlock another profession for one's handle :-D I'd even get along with music, gfx and code as only professions, any further shit can be added to the demo anyway. |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Quote: for the most part it was "have parents with enough money to get you a phoneline and modem" though
So, following the same reasoning we can remove swapper as a profession too, seeing as that only required parents with enough money to get you a C= 64, a drive (or for crazies, a C2N) and plenty of envelopes & stamps. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:plenty of envelopes & stamps
LOL. good one.
but we are getting to the point - "swapper" vs "modem trader" isnt much different than "logo graphician" vs "fullscreen graphician". |
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White Flame
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 136 |
I upgraded my modem once, so I'm expecting a "modem swapper" profession. I can't remember if I traded my old modem to someone else, so I'll be generous and won't demand "modem trader". ;-) |
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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304 |
This is what an importer exactly is:
An importer used to import from continent to continent. Country to country alone does not count. Anyone who claimed to be an importer from Denmark to Germany was not a true importer.
An importer in the United States, for instance, called up a member of a cracking group in a European nation on the telephone and the two sceners made a modem connection and the European scener transferred a fresh crack to the American scener. In most cases though the scener in Europe called the scener in America, due to the abundance of AT&T calling cards available at the time.
After the transfer of the crack was done, the Importer gave the fresh crack to another member of his/her group with coding skills to complete the release. Completion (in the early days of the scene) was often simply putting an importing group intro on top of the main crack file.
As time went by and the concept and practice of NTSC fixing became the common way, the importing group spent between 5 minutes and up to 4 days to NTSC fix the cracked game and released it. The average time to NTSC fix games was a few hours.
Importers typically called many different crackers to establish trading agreements, to import games and to supply trading partners with AT&Ts.
An important fact about importing was that importers were generally assisted by other teammates who were dedicated AT&T Hackers. Technically the "AT&T Hackers" were not usually hackers at all but rather skilled social engineers. AT&T Hackers (their official group title) were a vital element to importing and vital to the smooth functioning of the scene itself. AT&Ts allowed people in much of the world to call the many BBS in America.
Importing was mostly done by modem since mail trading was too slow to be practical for first release.
Importing from America to Europe was done too but not as much since very few games needed to be PAL fixed.
Importing was a very important job in the old scene.
Regarding the use of professions, Phreaker should be removed. Nearly everyone in the old scene phreaked. It is a pointless mention.
AT&T Hacker would make a good replacement since it was so vital in the old days. |
