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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Ignore User?
How about a way to edit toxic people out of the experience? Ignore their comments, votes, forum posts, one-liners, and block them from sending PM? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2979 |
<Message ignored>? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: How about a way to edit toxic people out of the experience? Ignore their comments, votes, forum posts, one-liners, and block them from sending PM?
https://csdb.dk/userpage/ignorelist.php |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
That's what I was looking for, thanks - if it also edited their downvotes out of the experience as well, it'd be perfect. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
Quote: That's what I was looking for, thanks - if it also edited their downvotes out of the experience as well, it'd be perfect.
That would be a way to identify anonymous voters. I'm not saying that in order to take a stance in how things should work on CSDB — just pointing it out. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
There's actually already a way to do that. You just need to have some idea who it is and you can confirm it using nothing but CSDB's own features. (Not that I would need it to know who my own down-voter is, they've made a pathetic public spectacle of themselves enough times to remove any doubt.)
What I'd suggest is letting the user set a default for whether all or only public votes are part of their experience. Knowing that the person they hope to bother won't see the fruits of their labor would probably discourage most of the trolls. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2588 |
Actually I like that suggestion! Should be rather easy to implement as well, I would guess |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: There's actually already a way to do that. You just need to have some idea who it is and you can confirm it using nothing but CSDB's own features. (Not that I would need it to know who my own down-voter is, they've made a pathetic public spectacle of themselves enough times to remove any doubt.)
What I'd suggest is letting the user set a default for whether all or only public votes are part of their experience. Knowing that the person they hope to bother won't see the fruits of their labor would probably discourage most of the trolls.
That's now how voting works. Not even on a state level. ;) My suggestion is to remove votes completely from csdb and just keep on archiving. Seems people just care too much about votes. Who cares. Do what you like to do, and care only about comments (which you can ignore). |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: That's now how voting works. Not even on a state level. ;) My suggestion is to remove votes completely from csdb and just keep on archiving. Seems people just care too much about votes. Who cares. Do what you like to do, and care only about comments (which you can ignore).
Votes matter because they produce lists of suggestions for visitors. Removing them wouldn't be beneficial, unless we added some different metrics for charts, for example number of downloads, or replaced voting by likes ;-). |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
And the way they work now just seems to encourage the grossest people in the community to use the voting system as a way to harass people they don't like. |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
Quote: There's actually already a way to do that. You just need to have some idea who it is and you can confirm it using nothing but CSDB's own features. (Not that I would need it to know who my own down-voter is, they've made a pathetic public spectacle of themselves enough times to remove any doubt.)
What I'd suggest is letting the user set a default for whether all or only public votes are part of their experience. Knowing that the person they hope to bother won't see the fruits of their labor would probably discourage most of the trolls.
make all voting anonymous or just get rid of it entirely, as hedning suggested. I doubt much will ever happen. I don't think I'd like to see voting removed, it can be useful to gauge how a given release is doing. I would like to see all voting made anonymous, but I feel like we're getting into old territory playing the same ol' record on repeat. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: make all voting anonymous or just get rid of it entirely, as hedning suggested. I doubt much will ever happen. I don't think I'd like to see voting removed, it can be useful to gauge how a given release is doing. I would like to see all voting made anonymous, but I feel like we're getting into old territory playing the same ol' record on repeat.
<Post edited by hedning on 9/10-2021 21:01>
One big problem is that some people think a 7 or 8 is a "downvote". Sure, 2 or 3 might be, but 8? Nah. Seen it way too often. |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
Quote: One big problem is that some people think a 7 or 8 is a "downvote". Sure, 2 or 3 might be, but 8? Nah. Seen it way too often.
yeah, it's a downvote - depending on how large your ego is. :D strange stuff. for everyone else, that's pretty good. :) |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 368 |
For a brief moment I thought that the voting system would be discussed again... .. . :D |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 478 |
Shine is right here, the focus went on the csdb voting system - and it took only about three postings...
So, adding something more to the discussion doesn't make it less OT, but I *have* to second this sentence from hedning:
Quoting hedning...My suggestion is to remove votes completely from csdb and just keep on archiving.[...] I'd add: just don't vote (as long as this "voting system" is still available)!
I'm more than sure a suitable metric for helping newcomers and guide them through the vast amount of releases will be found (and the discussion for finding one will be similar to all the voting talk, but at least it then serves a purpose).
Just my coins... |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
It's peripherally the voting system, specifically the user experience and how the community is shaped by the site. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
o_O ... get a life! |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251 |
Cum oane, be brave and be more opan about your disrespact towards eachothar. Iths okay, everybody doth it! Duh! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Instead of who votes what, who ignores who should be public - that'd make for some much more interesting stats :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098 |
Nothing to See Here |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2242 |
OFFtopic / voting stuff: Voting (and everything related to it) only "shapes the community" if community lets themselves being shaped by it. This place ain't no C64 Mr Rogers' neighborhood (go to Lemon if you are looking for that or to forum64.de if you prefer the same in German) and also not your C64 social medium (go to facebook if you want that). IMHO 50+/- yo ppl who call themselves sceners should be grown-up enough not to care too much about it.
BTT: Even if you have made some very harmless enemies here on CSDb, I've never seen any point in using the "Ignore" function, as you sooner or later will come to the point of ill communication, i.e. your favourite ignored enemy is involved in communications, other peeps refer to statements made by him and you don't get what it's all about due to the missing (ignored) context.
Let's stick to IGNORE topic, please - if there's much more to discuss. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
Quoting TheRykIMHO 50+/- yo ppl who call themselves sceners should be grown-up enough not to care too much about it.
I dunno, how about the same 50+/- yo can maybe not be toxic assholes instead? If they can't meet that rather low bar, the ignore button is a great tool. I think I prefer that over blaming the victims. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
At this point i'd seriously like to see some examples of these "toxic assholes". Most of the time when this kind of stuff comes up, its just that someone has an unpopular opinion, and someone else gets winded up about it. Most often about his votes being "wrong" one way or another.
IMHO users shouldnt have to ignore other users to solve this problem - instead perff should help everyone to ignore the vote stats and disable votestatistics.php for the general public. 90% of constantly reoccuring csdb "problems" removed instantly.
(but still dont disable ignorestatistics.php for me please) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2242 |
I don't really see how using or not using Ignore Function is "blaming the victims". Sure age doesn't protect against folly. There have been sad cases when originally (seemingly) well-behaved and nice fellas went bananas, provoked by complete assholes, may it be via (not-so)anonymous downvoting (which hasn't got to do much with the ignore function) or other actions. However, if sb is provoked by some troll's behaviour against the rules and reacts by breaking the rules himself, and in the end both end banned or raqequit - then this is victimizing oneself or just plain stupid, not blaming victims.
If it makes anyone happy (I have doubts, e.g. it doesn't make votes of your enemies vanish), just use that Ignore Function.
Please just consider(!) not only online assholes but also some of their targets might need help that CSDb can't provide if they define happiness by what some troll states here or anywhere else on the Internet. Not only CSDb ain't kindergarten (though it feels like it sometimes), it's also not a sanatorium (though users and mods love to counsel). |
