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Mixer
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Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 2 |
Privacy
Recently, I have grown aware of the possibilities of misuse of personal information, therefore I have sought to remove any of my personal information away from public websites and such databases which I do not find secure, trustworthy or necessary.
Today has been the 1st time that I have entered the CSDb. Albeit a nice and honourable purpose to collect such a database, the road to hell is covered with good intentions. I can only speculate where my information has been collected from, rumours? It was mostly wrong and after this non-existent for other than what me with the alias Mixer have done in demoscene, which I think is the main purpose of the database.
I suggest that the database creators make sure that none of the personal information in this database gets to search bots, and all queries are logged, also secure connections sould be set to use in data transfer, and permissions asked from the persons listed in the database by anyone adding someone others personal information to the db. If this is too much to ask, then the creators do not know what they are doing.
I am quite serious about privacy issues and want to deliver this opinion to all of you to discuss. Spam is the least that can happen.¨You're right, I could go on with this for pages.
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
not to spoil it, I dunno what info on him were added exactly, but he's got a point...
adding a handle, real name and country of a scener is one thing... adding postal addresses / phone numbers etc. of someone without his/her permission is another, more serious issue...
I do believe that most countries do have privacy laws that explicitly forbid giving away personal data without the person's consent...
maybe linking a single entry to a login name to mark that as the user's own entry, and allowing a user to add postal and stuff like that for that single entry (his own) only, could be a way to prevent potential legal issues...? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Yep, good idea.
I'd also prefer if some fields of the scener-infopage are locked for public editing. I mean handle, real name and country are in most cases sufficient to distinguish between sceners with the same handle. I'd leave these fields open for public editing, but close the rest, so that only the scener itself can publish data he wishes to make publicly available. |
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CyberBrain
Administrator
Posts: 392 |
I've never been much interested in law, so i don't know much about it, but would it be sufficient to write a warning next to the adress-fields on the edit-pages (or something), stating that you're not allowed to write an adress unless you've got permission from the scener? (and maybe also make a "terms & conditions" on the help-pages)
As i said i dunno much about these legal-issues.. |
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The MeatBall
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 367 |
As for where the info was taken from, I'd guess it's from Origo Dreamline's own official website. http://www.uta.fi/~trpeki/origo/0_members.htm has info on their members.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I've never been much interested in law, so i don't know much about it, but would it be sufficient to write a warning next to the adress-fields on the edit-pages (or something), stating that you're not allowed to write an adress unless you've got permission from the scener? (and maybe also make a "terms & conditions" on the help-pages)
As i said i dunno much about these legal-issues..
Why make it hard, while the method suggested above (people can only enter their own information) is sufficient? |
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Jayce
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 39 |
I don't care, i move from one safehouse to the other! Jups that rights, all in a days work for your average friendly neighbourhood criminalman.
No seriously, i see nothing wrong with someone publishing their home adress. It's not that it was a problem in the old days, just pick out any swappers mag and the place will be filled with adressen. And believe me, it's not only swappers who read those mags.
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
i'd really like to know what more serious can happen than spam? getting brought to judical court for C64 pirating in the year 2002? your neighbour knowing that you are using computers?
and spamming cant happen due to SPAM.SUX protection. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Jayce, ofcourse there's a difference between those mags (where people asked for their addresses to be published, and which were read by only a very small number of people) and a public database on internet (where people's addresses are published withour their consent, and the possibility of webspiders picking them up is very real).
rough: it's not just the email addresses, but also the real addresses. There are several reasons why somebody wouldn't want their home address to be known. And maybe it's no problem for you, but you can't decide that for anybody else, hence the safest thing to do is to make sure that such information can only be entered by the person itself. So everybody can decide for him/herself if he wants his/her home address & telephone number etc. published here.
The rules that Mixer brought up aren't there for nothing, you know .. |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
two words of something that could happen and in fact is worse than spam:
phone terror
just to help you people understand =)
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Seven, very nice, I've been wasting many words, and you get it done in two .. bastard :) |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Quote: two words of something that could happen and in fact is worse than spam:
phone terror
just to help you people understand =)
phone terror? quite irrealistic I guess. i mean i could also pick a number from the phone book and do that. i know there are also weirdos in the 64 scene though.
tdj, you got me wrong. it's very sure for me that everyone must decide him/herself to have his personal info published or not, I just don't believe in the high risks of them being published. except for receiving commercial crap i cant think of anything which is realistic to happen. |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
well, yes.. if you'd just wanted to do some phone terror, you could probably also dial random numbers until you got one that finally connects... blah...
but annoying one particular person is way easier to do when you got the right number, hm? |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
if I want to terrorize a particular person, e.g. Mixer I do the effort and load an old Origo demo to find his address which easily leads me to his phone-number |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: if I want to terrorize a particular person, e.g. Mixer I do the effort and load an old Origo demo to find his address which easily leads me to his phone-number
The fact that his address can be found on other places doesn't make it legal to be found here, if he didn't put it in himself.
If you give your e-mail addy as part of a registration process, you wouldn't want it to become part of a list of e-mails for something entirely different, right?
Listen, no matter what your or mine personal feelings on this subject are: there are rules which say that you can't just put personal information in a database without the permission of the person him- or herself.
So please spare me your "yeh but they put it somewhere else all those years ago" or "but what would I do with it?" because those are not valid reasons. And if Mixer, or somebody else, really feels pissed off by this all, he can make sure this database is being taken off the web. Is that what we want? Guess not. |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
dark judge, read my posts more carefully instead of pulling your fingers as fast on the keyboard as you can to reply a stupid answer
and to make it more easy for you: where did i doubt it is someone's legal right to have his address printed or not? where did i say not to apply okay to mixer's please to remove his address? and for homework: what did i wanted to say with my previous post? |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 621 |
No matter what. I can't even have any privacy through my C64.rulez.org Email account, as someone had hacked into it and killed 'Spam Assassin', therefore I ended up with rubbish in my inbox. I really hate this. What makes matters worse is when you get hoards of it after a few days away from the account. Sigh. I guess we all have to put up with it some day or another. Life is so unfair >:( |
