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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
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"Advanced" FLI
Argh, can't take this term. It's the least advanced of all FLI modes. Only 2 colors per byte, and nothing else to worry about. In multicolor FLI you also have the background color and char colors, so that is definitely more advanced.
I always called it "Hires FLI". What's wrong with that? |
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pernod
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Registered: Nov 2004
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I remember the old days when we in HZ first heard the term. Boogaloo was very irritated by the "advanced" bit, and so was I.
And from now on I will call single-speed no-filters music "advanced music". :-)
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 731 |
I fully agree. But everyone uses the wrong words for almost all gfx-modes, i'm just too tired to argue about this.. So i end up saying AFLI myself.. Retardness itself :/. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1661 |
We need a scene police/court to take care of such issues.
ISO-scene-talk-88823.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
That would be ISO-scene-talk-1337 |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
HIFLI certainly seems to be a better name for the mode, and some people I knew did call it that.
The editor I had back then used the AFLI name though and it kinda just stuck, never gave it much thought...until I had to select the gfx mode when creating the entry for Super Turban Bros., and the only option I could find that resembled AFLI was "Advanced FLI". I was like "huh...advanced? Is that what the A stands for..?" :) |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 640 |
Many abbreviations were invented without much thought anyway, for example IFFL. I guess people were just young and really competetive and didn't care much about accuracy... |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1051 |
It might have been some retards who came up with that term in the first place, but that's no reason to keep using it. Can't CSDb at least try to be a rolemodel and use some meaningful names for gfx formats.
Btw, I don't see why the format is even needed for pictures, since I guess it's impossible to include all possible formats anyway. What if someone make a pic in a new format and don't even come up with a fancy name for that format? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
the widely used modes should cover more than 95% of the pic releases, so I'm for using them on csdb. For the rest there can be an other category.
btw fli is a stupid term at the first case aswell. but its so deeply burnt in I dont think its possible to change it.
lemme try to come up with generalized terms:
multicolor fli
hires fli
multicolor interlaced fli
hires interlaced fli
underlayed sprites hires fli (ushf instead of ufli?:)
underlayed multicolor sprites hires fli (umshf ?:)
seems like xfli and ufli will stay too :)
hires fli is good enough instead of afli, Im using both terms.
anyway these terms were invented by wannabee teens, who only cared about the kewl sounding. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1051 |
FLI probably was inspired by that hip-hop term "yo, that's fly" :) |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 679 |
the term 'multicolor' is already misleading and probabling can be accused of generating tons of mono-color hires pictures. |
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scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: FLI probably was inspired by that hip-hop term "yo, that's fly" :)
Was it on IRC or was it in another thread where we discussed the pronouncuation of FLI? ...Don't remember...
But I (and I guess the fellow dutchies too) pronounce it as 'flee' =)
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
hehehe
we hungarians also say 'flee' :D
f l ai sux :) |
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Puterman
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
What's wrong with you guys, too lame to read properly? :)
D'Arc of Topaz clearly states that it's "Advanged FLI". Not that the word "advanged" actually means anything, but whatever... Check out the intro for the editor, and/or his article for C=Hacking. Then we can start a new discussion on whether AFLI is more advanged that regular FLI. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2038 |
@Puterman: Are you pretended? |
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d'Arc
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 7 |
Quote: What's wrong with you guys, too lame to read properly? :)
D'Arc of Topaz clearly states that it's "Advanged FLI". Not that the word "advanged" actually means anything, but whatever... Check out the intro for the editor, and/or his article for C=Hacking. Then we can start a new discussion on whether AFLI is more advanged that regular FLI.
Hah.
I never noticed the typo. :-) Oh, the good old days where the biggest problems were to find a proper term for something.
/d'Arc |
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Tch
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Quote: Was it on IRC or was it in another thread where we discussed the pronouncuation of FLI? ...Don't remember...
But I (and I guess the fellow dutchies too) pronounce it as 'flee' =)
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Flee your arse!
No Ef.El.Eye either.
It´s FLY,you boeren. ;)
(Think international)
And Advanced is total crap ofcourse,but hard to change. |
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scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: Flee your arse!
No Ef.El.Eye either.
It´s FLY,you boeren. ;)
(Think international)
And Advanced is total crap ofcourse,but hard to change.
lol :D
I'm the coder who says FLEE!
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Flee down the Plee!! ;P |
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A Life in Hell
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 204 |
At least it's not as weird as ECI |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
eci remembers me always to geci ('gatsee' with short 'e') which is hungarian slang for sperm :P :) |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 731 |
Hey, was that the real d'Arc who just popped by!? Haven't heard of you for ages!! |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 707 |
Hiresolution FLI is exactly what it is. Not sure why the word 'advanced' was used. HiresFLI or HiFLI is more suiting
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2038 |
OTOH normal hires bitmap is often called "Single color". ;) |
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 436 |
Using the term "single color" for normal hires bitmap is a blasphemy. :-) |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 477 |
i have to go with the hungarians and their way of pronouncing it as FLEE.
next level: find out how ifli is pronounced. i guess a virtual kick in the nuts is prepared for those who actually try to come up with something like EYEFLEYE just because it's supposed to be internationally understandable. :D |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1051 |
Guess the pronounciation depends on which language you speak. If I speak Danish I say "flee" (with a short ee-sound) and in English I say "fly". So in English IFLI is definitely "I fly", and I might even say that in a Danish context as well.
@TCH: Hard to change? Not for CSDb at least. Something like this should do it...
update gfx_modes set name='Hires FLI' where name='Advanced FLI' |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 679 |
also change all kernel to kernal then :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
be it a typo or misspelling its officially called kernal. (yeah I love to bug everyone who says kernel instad :P) |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 477 |
some people from the south even call it colonel |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1661 |
Anyone did something c64 related lately? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
you did? |
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d'Arc
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 7 |
Quote: Hey, was that the real d'Arc who just popped by!? Haven't heard of you for ages!!
Yup,
The one and only. :-)
/d'Arc |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 475 |
Quote: Anyone did something c64 related lately?
yes, and it involved degkrokar |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Also change screenshot to screen dump cause that's what it's called. (Yes, it's actually called that!) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
oh no! Is it REALLY called that ? |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
sigh...
The term AFLI has been used for ages, trying to do history revision now is kind of lame. s/Advanced FLI/AFLI/ should be enough, that way the whiners can pretend that A stands for Atrophomorphic, Apoplexical or something like that.
If not, I move for relabling FLD. After all, the it's not really line distance, it's every 8 lines, so it's not very flexible. So NVFE8LD perhaps.
And multicolour bitmap? Doesn't multi sounds quite a lot? After all, 16 isn't that much. Let's call it "3 colours + background out of 16 in each 8x8 block bitmap graphics", or 3CPBoo16iE8x8BBG. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 679 |
8x8? Thats misleading |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1051 |
@Tao, you have a point, but there's a difference between something everyone has used for ages, like FLD, and something like AFLI, which I think is only used by max half of the scene. Hires FLI is probably just as common - so there is two competing terms for the same format. Why choose the stupidest one for CSDb?
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Quote: @Tao, you have a point, but there's a difference between something everyone has used for ages, like FLD, and something like AFLI, which I think is only used by max half of the scene. Hires FLI is probably just as common - so there is two competing terms for the same format. Why choose the stupidest one for CSDb?
I've never seen the term Hires FLI outside of CSDb... |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Quote: 8x8? Thats misleading
Yeah, sorry... I meant 4x8 of course. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Most of the demos released don't really demonstrate anything either so I think they must be called something else. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1661 |
I think... "the scene" is very misleading. We're not actually actors on a stage. Let's just call us... uh... fuckit. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5127 |
ADVANCED in AFLI is stupid, and hires FLI is legal (and more correct) I use it myself with lotsa others. but this debate doesnt worth to cut throats. both sides should get over it. |
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
To make things clear we should apply more fitting terms. AFLI should become MFLI (Mega FLI) while UFLI should finally become AFLI (because it is really advanced FLI). Normal multicolor FLI without any kind of sprites should be called NMCFLIWU and FLI every second line with only 4 sprites should be called FLIESLWO4S. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 679 |
as always, *I* have the mastersolution:
lets enumerate. This makes it easier to implement new stuff.
FLI001 should suffice for plain FLI.
Also this should be ordered in some hierachy:
GFXMODE0e7 = FLI001
DEMOEFFECT008 = use of GFXMODE0e7 = FLI001
How wonderful that would be.
This would finally show the speccys!! |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 731 |
There are so many productive people in the scene. Together we could do *unbelievable* things! Like.. whatever. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1083 |
Mmm, this discussion is yummy. Next up: sprite splitting vs sprite multiplexing!
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 436 |
It's actually more advanced to get a good result in AFLI than it is to get a good result in FLI. Anybody who tried it should know that. :-) Make sure to check out the AFLI-picture in the intro to the game Clystron, btw. I still remember how shocked I was when I first saw it (btw, thanks for the disk, Ed). |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 475 |
Quote: Mmm, this discussion is yummy. Next up: sprite splitting vs sprite multiplexing!
I'll toss in another contender:
"By using simple raster cuts (sometimes also called Multiplexers) you can stack sprites, to increase the size, with little loss in speed."
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
2fl, you mean this one?
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Twoflower
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 436 |
Yeah, that's the one! |
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Viktor
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 78 |
It was a funny thread.
But what about some kind of "dictionary" of these types.
For example with examples. :P
Viktor |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
Viktor: if you use the advanced search (and in this case, it really is more advanced!) you can search by graphics type, which is useful for examples of the various modes. Of course it won't give you the technical specs behind them, if that's what you want.
Going back to the theme of this thread, when I first heard of "Advanced FLI" and saw a logo pixelled in it, I assumed it was some hot new mode that had similar restrictions to multicolour fli, but in hires! (I was perhaps a bit young and naive at the time, thought those demo coders could do anything! ;) ). When I got my hands on an editor and realised there were only 2 colours per 8x1, I was pretty disappointed (also a little naive as it can be used for some pretty good stuff!) |
