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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Friend lists (CSDb as a Social Networking site...eeek!)
The scene was always friendshipbased, right?
So wouldn't it be a nice idea to add some kind of friend list in your profile?
Not only to jump on the social networking bandwagon but also to shield off some (personal) data you only wish to share with good scene-friends like phonenumbers, IM info and addresses.
Just a sunday afternoon brainwave. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
"All in favour, raise a hand!"
_o/ |
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
Quote:The scene was always friendshipbased, right?
no. therefore the enemy list should be added aswell. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Make it a 'relationship-list', with type of relation (friend, enemy, swapcontact, ex-teammember) added.
Edit: sorry, misunderstood it, thought you wanted just a list of friends, like the list of releases one worked on. |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
What about us with no friends? :( |
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Stan
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 187 |
And ex-girl friends? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
i'd honestly rather see the database features (much) more improved. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: i'd honestly rather see the database features (much) more improved.
Me too. It was just a brainwave/suggestion/would-be-kinda-neat-idea.
Something for csdb v3.0 =P |
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CenTraX
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 117 |
@Scout - try www.facebook.com :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
tags please :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:tags please :D
try youtube :) |
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T.M.R
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
If we wait around long enough, will someone launch SceneBook. com or MyScene.com perhaps...? =-)
(Look up my real name on Facebook if you want to be my fwiend, Scout!) |
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Cybernator
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 154 |
Of the handful of sites I used to visit regularly, all but CSDb turned into utter bullshit (subjectively speaking, of course). That must NOT happen with CSDb!!! Not that I have anything against friend lists... In fact I do. There're thousands of social networking sites out there, but there's only one CSDb. Why ruin it?
> Just a sunday afternoon brainwave.
How about focusing those brainwaves on your new demo instead?
Thanks for your attention.
:) (last but not least, a smiley :))
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
I agree with Cybernator. More database, less community. CSDb is the best scene related site for any platform, let's keep it that way. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: I agree with Cybernator. More database, less community. CSDb is the best scene related site for any platform, let's keep it that way.
and tags. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
I agree with Cyb and rdx. If you wanna make friends, get your arse at X. |
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Shadow
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 355 |
Oswald is the CSDB equivalent of Cato, but instead of "Also, Carthage, methinks, ought utterly to be destroyed" he ends his speeches with "Also, tags, methinks, ought to be implemented"... ;) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Well for once I agree with Oswald, tags would be utterly useful (nevertheless damn easy to implement). I can't understand the aversion, is there some special reason I don't know about (OK, apart from that we all hate Oswaldbogár's ideas)?
Just look at IMDb as an example and then tell me that tags are not useful. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
we simply dont believe in the "thousend monkeys" theory. (and it has been said many times already *sigh*). most people cant even use the existing stuff properly, so why do you believe they would suddenly be able to handle tags ? (and your imdb link actually shows it - lots of meaningless duplicated crap) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
IMDB is a perfect example of tags not working. Every movie has a million useless tags.
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Shadow
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 355 |
Note that my 'Cato'-comment was not in any way implying that Oswalds suggestion is bad, just that his persistence in mentioning it reminded me of the old Roman senator. :)
What should the guidelines be for the tag info? I would personally be interested in having the effects used in a demo tagged, so I'd like tags like 'zoom4', 'bumpmapping', 'multiplexer' or 'filled vector'.
However, I guess other people are interested in other things and would tag with some completely different criteria, which could create a mess, but still, I think it would be useful. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
the problem could be solved with having 'public' and 'private' tags. public ones would be a list of tags maintained by the csdb staff, private ones would be free so fex. one can tag his fave releases, which would be a great thing to have to browse through one's fave stuff, or any criteria upon one user groups entrys. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
So basically you have two problems which could be very easily solved.
Problem one: mistrust for imbecile CSDb users.
Solution one: allow tagging for only a few trusted users who understand the concept of tags and volunteer for the job. Say, a couple of sceners who are experts in their area. So there wouldn't be stupidities included.
Problem two: the amount of tags
Solution two: limit. We definitely don't need dozens of them.
And the benefits would be huge: easier navigation, perspicuity, more practical browsing, very convenient and simple way of search for releases which are alike (eg. imagine finding similar styles, effects, concepts, motives, etc, etc. on a single click instead of asking on the forum)
Btw. I completely disagree that the IMDb keywords are not useful. I've found hidden movie gems only by the help of tags numerous of times. And I spend quite a lot of time on IMDb by checking out tags and browsing through movies which are connected to them. It's definitely one of the most helpful function if a site is built around a database. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Groepaz(and your imdb link actually shows it - lots of meaningless duplicated crap)
Quoting MagerValpIMDB is a perfect example of tags not working. Every movie has a million useless tags
And please explain to me why is branched additional information bad, and I'll really leave it be.
Plus from CSDb's view, there is a way to organize it much better than IMDb and make it truly gainful for all of us. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
there is nothing bad about additional information really - what makes those tags bad on pretty much every web 2.0 site there is is that every dumbnut can create them and use them as they feel like. yes that could be solved by a lot of moderation, maybe. i'd still rather see the existing stuff improved (and there is a long todo list already) and more importantly, see people use the existing stuff properly.
and honest, if we'd start with "moderated" tags - as in predefined ones - we'd have an instant (and eternal) flamefest on how certain tags are missing, others are stupid, and others shouldnt be used like they are used. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: there is nothing bad about additional information really - what makes those tags bad on pretty much every web 2.0 site there is is that every dumbnut can create them and use them as they feel like. yes that could be solved by a lot of moderation, maybe. i'd still rather see the existing stuff improved (and there is a long todo list already) and more importantly, see people use the existing stuff properly.
and honest, if we'd start with "moderated" tags - as in predefined ones - we'd have an instant (and eternal) flamefest on how certain tags are missing, others are stupid, and others shouldnt be used like they are used.
That'd be the case if they weren't moderated, as well. :-P
I like the idea behind tags, really, but I've never ever seen them work well in practice. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: there is nothing bad about additional information really - what makes those tags bad on pretty much every web 2.0 site there is is that every dumbnut can create them and use them as they feel like. yes that could be solved by a lot of moderation, maybe. i'd still rather see the existing stuff improved (and there is a long todo list already) and more importantly, see people use the existing stuff properly.
and honest, if we'd start with "moderated" tags - as in predefined ones - we'd have an instant (and eternal) flamefest on how certain tags are missing, others are stupid, and others shouldnt be used like they are used.
I guess the moderators are for the users, and not vice versa. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:I guess the moderators are for the users, and not vice versa.
the only reason for moderators to exist is that most people cant use the database properly. (remember, there was a time without moderators) and it's enough work to clean up the mess even now. (well it's a bit better since some weeks, but the next idiot will come soon enough, thats for sure. some of them keep trying to get in again and again and again and eventually will slip through at some point. hopefully not.)
Quote:I like the idea behind tags, really, but I've never ever seen them work well in practice.
that sums it up pretty good. i wouldnt mind seeing everything properly tagged either - but that will never work out.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
that clarifies your motivs of your "no tags" policy.
if nothing will be tagged properly, nothing will be either credited / date added / etc etc properly. if nothing will be done properly we better shut down csdb =P |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
personally i'd install different access levels for users (much more fine grained than it is now), disable everything for new users, and promote more rights to them when they prove to be sane and reliable - kindof like it worked on BBSs in the good old days. that could prevent a lot of the crap that happened. there doesnt seem to be a lobby for this though, so it wont happen. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I like that idea. |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Quote:promote more rights to them when they prove to be sane
Wouldn't that disqualify 98% of the current user base? |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
An enemy list would be cool though, I'd love to be able to keep track of my enemies!
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 728 |
Yeah, enemy list would be great. We're not friends here anyway.. Maybe it should be limited to 5 or 10 worst enemies, to stop overflow of negative energy and stuff. |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
HCL: Hell no, let the hate flow freely. I'd like the possibility to add whole groups or even countries to my enemy list too!
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Also an "at war with" list for groups would be useful.
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Yeah, and add recent changes to the front page:
MEANMAID >:( is now at war with Belgium
Scout and Wanderer are now enemies
Elkmoose is no longer listed as being at war with FMan
Cruzer joined the group The New CSDB Sucks!
Jailbird has sent you a hug using the ELMO application. Click here to add this application and get your hug!
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 728 |
I think someone haXXorzed mermaid's account.. I mean, she's not only mean, she's truly *evil*. She used to spread around hugs to everyone here and now it's 100% only evilness.
To EvilMaid: you should start using the Elmo-application, with beautiful web-dezajn by Jailbird! |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote:Scout and Wanderer are now enemies
NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo........ |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote:I think someone haXXorzed mermaid's account.. I mean, she's not only mean, she's truly *evil*. She used to spread around hugs to everyone here and now it's 100% only evilness.
Yes, she's definitely in stingy bogár-mode for a while now. No hugs and hearts and lovely stuff.
/me not likes the evil part of Mermaid :'(
p.s. she even posted a bunch of baked Elmo-heads to me some hours ago. Really! I sobbed like never before for almost a hour after that. Evil I tell ya! |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 728 |
SHE IS HAXXORED!! i told ya!! It's just pure weirdness coming from her now. Dark lord of the sith took her, she no be turnin back like normal again.
I mean, we all know what happened to young Anakin Skywalker.. EvilMaid *is* Dath Vader now, and there's no playing with her! OMG, baked Elmos.. unlimited evilness.
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: SHE IS HAXXORED!! i told ya!! It's just pure weirdness coming from her now. Dark lord of the sith took her, she no be turnin back like normal again.
I mean, we all know what happened to young Anakin Skywalker.. EvilMaid *is* Dath Vader now, and there's no playing with her! OMG, baked Elmos.. unlimited evilness.
Just look at this:
She's beheading Elmos and cooking them!!! And the poor guys were smiling at her before their deaths, I bet she lurked them with hugs and hearts before the sudden attack. |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440 |
for those idiots who don't know: woman are twofaced by design ;)
EDIT: MEANMAID>:(
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TWR
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 187 |
Quote: The scene was always friendshipbased, right?
So wouldn't it be a nice idea to add some kind of friend list in your profile?
Not only to jump on the social networking bandwagon but also to shield off some (personal) data you only wish to share with good scene-friends like phonenumbers, IM info and addresses.
Just a sunday afternoon brainwave.
I thought this database already turned into that? I mean, it seems to me that adding info,files and so on isn't as important as staying friends with certain people round here? :-/ |
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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304 |
Groepaz is right. The basic structure of the CSDb is wonderful as it is. There is no need to make radical changes to something that functions just fine. The framework itself will continue to improve and evolve. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
the tags function is ridiculously easy to implement, no need to change the structure whatsoever. could be done even through a 'parasite' 2nd site without changing csdb, or having any permission from perff.
ofcourse when the moderators' job is to clean up the DB after the users, they're against changes that will raise that job. We're having groepaz only as mod against it anyhow. his usual "WE think this and WE think that" stuff should be translated to "I". |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:We're having groepaz only as mod against it anyhow.
no you dont. feel free to ask any of the other mods. or maybe make a poll, maybe you can get about 1% of the active users to even bother reading it =P it's about 3 users that keep repeating the "tags tags tags" crap over and over, noone else gives a damn.
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Yeah I still say that moderated tags would be fucking cool but I slowly tend to agree with Groepaz that with CSDb's current userbase it should/could never happen.
*sob*
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Yeah... this discussion is really getting somewhere...
As usual.
Can't someone get something done?
Perhaps a professional policy should be set up for CSDb, stating in what direction development should go.
Either more database or more scene?
Focus on data or focus on networking?
History or present?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:
The Goal:
To gather as much information as possible about the C64 scene. The sceners, the groups, the releases and events, and as much information about these as possible.
that said, the most active contributors to the database are the least active forum users. and generally those who complain most, submit little (as always there are exceptions). |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I had a discussion with Sander about CSDb last saturday, and he proposed that the data in the database should be exposed so that other parties could use build new, specific sites, on top of it. I agree with him, as this would clear the way for lots of ideas which are simply not feasible within the current structure here. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
he should talk to perff - the data IS "exposed" already through webservices - for example c64.sk uses it already :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
RSS feeds are not webservices in my book. Might be that there's more to it than that, it which case I stand corrected (but will add that more info about it would be welcome) |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
I think Groepaz means the webservice. Certainly better than RSS, but still not so flexible as I'd like/need it to be (f.e not helping too much if I'd like to build up some kind of a third party tagging-layer plugin :D ). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
like i said, please talk to perff :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I think Groepaz means the webservice. Certainly better than RSS, but still not so flexible as I'd like/need it to be (f.e not helping too much if I'd like to build up some kind of a third party tagging-layer plugin :D ).
Actually I've read this page before, kinda forgot about it. But I agree with you: this could be done better.
I know, I know: talk to Perff .. ;) |
