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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 207 |
Separate or merged "cracks" releases.
I'm digging into my old tapes and transfering all datas to 5'25 discs. I'm sharing with all of missed files here but I found one problem. 20 years ago there was alot of "cracks" releases in Poland, which they've been usually just a freezed parts of one game. It was done cause of commercial reasons by some pirates who've been doing tape versions of discs games :)
Now I have question.
Take a look into those releases for example:
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (3 parts of the game, every part has linked a cracktro - I've copied all parts into one .d64 image)
Thunderbirds 4
Thunderbirds
2 parts (3, 4 are missed now) - same thing. I've uploaded separately because I don't want to make chaos with missing files. Intros linked for both releases.
My question is:
Should these releases be added as separate releases like:
Indiana Jones III.1
Indiana Jones III.2
Indiana Jones III.3
or not? I really dunno what to do. Any discussion, new rule? In fact they are separate releases but they;ve been made from 1 game... |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 752 |
They should be deleted and the tapes burned in a bucket with chicken's blood and vodka.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523 |
technically each of them should get a seperate entry (because like you said, they are seperate releases).
however, i guess i would prefer to see them in one entry, since they belong together, and also were released together (right?)
mmmh not sure, comments? :) |
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Ksubi
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Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 87 |
I think they should go under "one heading", since they are the same game released by the same group, on the same day, just in different parts. Perhaps you can just "seperate" them by having them on different disks (as you already have).
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
have them on different disks ? no,definitely not,it makes absolutely no sense. and infact he said the opposite("I've copied all parts into one .d64 image"). |
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Ksubi
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Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 87 |
@assiduous: each part IS already on a seperate disk, (Thunderbirds anyway) I was merely stating that. I agree, would be easier on one disk, but for some games not all parts would fit anyway. eg: TWR's brilliant Turrican recrack. (now thats one release that should be "burned in a bucket with chicken's blood and vodka" :-)) |
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 207 |
Quote: technically each of them should get a seperate entry (because like you said, they are seperate releases).
however, i guess i would prefer to see them in one entry, since they belong together, and also were released together (right?)
mmmh not sure, comments? :)
Maybe this solution (for Indiana Jones/TAF and others) will be the best.
If game got "cracked" (read - freezed) by someone and released as few parts of the game with linked intro to every part, my idea is to add them separately.
But every uploaded file will contain all parts of freezed game. Imho it will be the best solution.
In other case, if there was game freezed into for example 5 parts and only first one has linked cracktro, it should be added to database as 1 entry and .d64 or .t64 file has to contain all parts of this game.
I've found a game called Fields Of Fire, cracked by The Mafia Guys/TMB. This crack = 8 separate parts of the game, numbered in every cracktro, but they doesn't look like freezes. I've uploaded them as 1 release because I dunno if I should add 8 separated entries to csdb?:
http://noname.c64.org/csdb//release/?id=84179 |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523 |
i wouldnt create seperate releases... doesnt make a lot of sense imho. |
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AlexC
Registered: Jan 2008
Posts: 302 |
First of all I think that CSDB is not a database of everything ever released - now please correct me if I'm wrong. Not every crack can be and is brilliant but I don't think ActionReplay frozen games are releases really worth preserving (unless we want to preserve "cracktros" linked to them). In case of intros there is already another effort going on trying to rip and preserver every single one so there is a good place for them already too and it's not CSDB.
Just my 2 cents... |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 2013 |
Quote: They should be deleted and the tapes burned in a bucket with chicken's blood and vodka.
I fully agree with Fungus and AlexC here.
Though I would treat the victim transfer disks to harm no danger anymore I as well strongly discourage you from uploading frozen "cracks" at all. Even with the intromaker production slapped infront it sure just wastes the time of some people and will disgrace the polish "scene".
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC |
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 207 |
Quote: First of all I think that CSDB is not a database of everything ever released - now please correct me if I'm wrong. Not every crack can be and is brilliant but I don't think ActionReplay frozen games are releases really worth preserving (unless we want to preserve "cracktros" linked to them). In case of intros there is already another effort going on trying to rip and preserver every single one so there is a good place for them already too and it's not CSDB.
Just my 2 cents...
CSDB is in fact a database: a place, where you can find (almost?) all informations about scene, sceners, releases. And this is our goal to create this history here. Correct me if I'm wrong :)
I dislike the idea of ripping intros. Intros ripped from games aren't releases but only rips. It all goes to rip everything: music, scrolltext, intros. Now lemme wait for graphics ripping and code, fonts and all added separately to every release on csdb... I prefer to have full releases, even if this is lame freeze game with added cracktro (even done on demomaker). This *IS* a release.
I agree, that freezed games are lame, but it was 20 years ago and in fact this is a part of Polish lamer sceners history and we can't deny it.
And my goal is not to discuss about lame freezed games, but just to save and keep the history and also discover her. |
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booker
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Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Quoting V-12My question is:
Should these releases be added as separate releases like:
Indiana Jones III.1
Indiana Jones III.2
Indiana Jones III.3
or not?
I would put them as one release and upload these three files. Since they were released on tape then perchaps .t64 is best.
Making it as 3 separate releases in such cases doesn't make much sense. |
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 207 |
Quote: Quoting V-12My question is:
Should these releases be added as separate releases like:
Indiana Jones III.1
Indiana Jones III.2
Indiana Jones III.3
or not?
I would put them as one release and upload these three files. Since they were released on tape then perchaps .t64 is best.
Making it as 3 separate releases in such cases doesn't make much sense.
Yup, already done. I will be doing same thing with other tape releases.
Thanx for feedback! |
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AlexC
Registered: Jan 2008
Posts: 302 |
V-12 - you are welcome. Don't want to make any stupid argument but just I'd like to point out that by introducing new cracks release standards CSDB clear became selective database. As for ripping intros I was referring to http://intros.c64.org/ project - sometimes it is not possible to find separate intro and the only way to put into database is to rip it (just like sids!). It has nothing to do with ripping out gfx or code to use in own releases. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523 |
Quote:but just I'd like to point out that by introducing new cracks release standards CSDB clear became selective database
yes and no - said "standards" do NOT apply to ancient stuff at all (they only apply to cracks which are released after those new rules have been established). older stuff generally belongs into the database if it has a relation to the scene (and that often includes lame releases like the ones discussed here). |
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AlexC
Registered: Jan 2008
Posts: 302 |
Quote: Quote:but just I'd like to point out that by introducing new cracks release standards CSDB clear became selective database
yes and no - said "standards" do NOT apply to ancient stuff at all (they only apply to cracks which are released after those new rules have been established). older stuff generally belongs into the database if it has a relation to the scene (and that often includes lame releases like the ones discussed here).
If so, than I admit I was wrong ;) |
