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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Voting for parties
Why is this not implemented? |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
No real reason I guess. We didn't think it was very common to vote for "The best party".
Should it be possible to vote for events?
Can we get some reactions? :)
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Can i vote on my own sofa then? |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130 |
No! A meeting with 5 people, and 5 "10" votes will can get to the top.
How do you compare that one with a party with 100-200 attenders?
No party voting. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I think it has more value than voting for top organizer, fullscreen graphician and categories like that. Dwangi does have a point though, so maybe you should not be able to vote for internal meetings etc., but only for 'real' parties. |
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Shake
Posts: 133 |
i was writing something simular Dwangi wrote, should refresh more =] never mind. |
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drake
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 207 |
i should vote for forever. real asskicking party..if it was only for the cheap alcohol you can buy there ;-)
-2 start press any key..where is the any key?- |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I sincerely would like to know why people can vote for something like an organizer, or swapper (since those two things can only be judged by the people actually knowing these persons) and not for a party (which can only by judged by people actually attending the party).
So why not be consistent, and take away those and other categories as well? Or just add parties (events that meet certain requirements) to the list of votable entities ofcourse .. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
Quote: I sincerely would like to know why people can vote for something like an organizer, or swapper (since those two things can only be judged by the people actually knowing these persons) and not for a party (which can only by judged by people actually attending the party).
So why not be consistent, and take away those and other categories as well? Or just add parties (events that meet certain requirements) to the list of votable entities ofcourse ..
And only the people who attended a party can vote, there is a list of them for every party. |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
To control that only people who attendet a party should be able to vote is more or less impossible.
In general there is no 100% relation between the users of CSDb and the info in CSDb, so it is impossible to determine if a user have attended a party.
It's true that there exists relation which should be able to determine this, but it would be SO easy to fake that I won't even consider it.
Also think about a person who has a login here on CSDb, but dosn't have an entry here (/scener/id=XXX) here because he isn't a c64-scener, shouldn't he be alloved to vote?
Anyway, when you say that only people who have gone to a party can vote for it, and only people who knows swappers etc. can vote for them, think about the consequences.
As I see it, what you say will be true for any kind of voting. If you havn't seen a demo you can't have an oppinion, but you can still vote. At least I havn't seen any vote-sheet or party-voting or anything where you had to prove you had actually seen the production in order to be able to vote. The same goes for any other kind of voting I can think of.
So in general to check that people who vote should be alloved to vote on that, I think is a bad idea. It's to hard to check, and will have larger consequences than one initially might think of. If we check it on parties (which we can more or less), some will want us to check on swappers, that you must have swapped with the ones you vote on, etcetc. and finally you MUST have seen a production before you can vote for it, and how will you check that?
So I decide to just say, that we don't check it. If someone is fakevoting we will find it out in other ways.
Well. Back to the original question. Should it be possible to vote for parties here in CSDb?
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
It was just an idea, since I did not know that someone who only has a login, cannot vote, and, exceptions are allowed in life aswell, not everything needs to be by unbendable rules.
Also, I thought it would motivate people to add the parties they attended, because voting is something people like doing more than digging up their partyhistory and add it over here.
I agree that fakevoting (downvoting in secret, upvoting in secret) is happening all the time with demos, sceners and groups anyway.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
When I said "those two things can only be judged by the people actually knowing these persons" I didn't mean that other people can't vote, I know they can, but I'm guessing that most people here only vote for product they've seen/people whose work they know/parties they've been to. So fake votes is not my concern.
With requirements I mean stuff like 'has to be registred as a party, not a meeting' etc. Ofcourse that won't stop people entering their internal meeting as a demo party here, but c'mon, it's not that hard to spot. If "Focus meeting #3" is #1 in the party charts you could disqualify such a thing right away.
If you're really concerned about fake votes, there is only one thing you can do: discard of the whole system, now. :) |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
@Hein:
Ok. I see you point, but I just thought which consequences it could have. :)
You write: "I did not know that someone who only has a login, cannot vote".
Did I say that? If you have a login on CSDb you can vote - you don't have to have a scener entry or anything.
@TDJ:
Your idea about it only being possible to vote for REAL parties and not meetings is nice. If that is all you meant - fine with me. :)
Fake voting - I know it's impossible, but I belive that we made it just a bit hard to do extensive fake-voting here. It's been a long time since I got the last complaint about anyone feeling they were up/down-voted. he. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
Quote: @Hein:
Ok. I see you point, but I just thought which consequences it could have. :)
You write: "I did not know that someone who only has a login, cannot vote".
Did I say that? If you have a login on CSDb you can vote - you don't have to have a scener entry or anything.
@TDJ:
Your idea about it only being possible to vote for REAL parties and not meetings is nice. If that is all you meant - fine with me. :)
Fake voting - I know it's impossible, but I belive that we made it just a bit hard to do extensive fake-voting here. It's been a long time since I got the last complaint about anyone feeling they were up/down-voted. he.
A misunderstanding about whether a login or/and an entry can vote, allthough I think it's unlikely that a non-c64-scener will cast his vote over here anyway, even if he got a csdb login and visited a c64 party (as a focus groupy for instance or a pc-lamer) hmmm, groupies should be allowed to vote, that's true.. |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
I think even People who have not attended a Party should be able to vote for it (maybe with a check-mark: did not attend).
Because the output of the party (demos,music,grafix) can be judged by people who were not even there.
However, the spirit,games,alkohol,atmosphere etc.pp can only be judged by people who were there.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I think even People who have not attended a Party should be able to vote for it (maybe with a check-mark: did not attend).
Because the output of the party (demos,music,grafix) can be judged by people who were not even there.
However, the spirit,games,alkohol,atmosphere etc.pp can only be judged by people who were there.
I think there is a difference between the party itself, and the products that are released there (although they are often part of the total atmosphere as well: those who were at TP3 probably remember the huge amount of demos as being one of the reasons the party rocked so much).
So personally I hope only those who attend vote ;)
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
Rethinking about it, the non-attendents should not vote for a party, but for the release-disks.
Maybe Events should contain (besides the individual contributions) a release-disk.
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
Quote: Rethinking about it, the non-attendents should not vote for a party, but for the release-disks.
Maybe Events should contain (besides the individual contributions) a release-disk.
I'm not sure we will make a special "release-disk" entry for events - at least not yet.
But for now people can always add such things under 'external links'. |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 476 |
release-disks for every event would seriously rock. |
