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Wanderer
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Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478 |
Misuse of voting
- Is there any policy of someone voting for themselves?
- Someone voted a '1' for all of the credentials of my profile. Now since this person was never on my BBS, and not on the scene when I had a bbs... how could they vote a '1'.
In fact, said person, voted a '1' all the way through my voting sections on here. The person is a member of a group that I have a disagreement with, and it was purely done to be malicious.
I'm not really concerned with what the vote results have to say, but if there's a policy or something that can be done, I'd like to know.
Voting complete 1's for someone isn't fair if you're doing it just to be malicious and not acting upon the person's actual contributions - then they go and vote for themselves.
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Stan
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Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 187 |
I see your point and I think you are right with your complaints. Yet I do not see any effecient measures against it. Self-voting is an old phenomenon, so is voting other people down. Take it easy.
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
Perfect solution against down-voting: Only show the vote of the person looking at the votes. This way he will always see the results he wants the releases to have... |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Or simple - make all votes public, so people can see who down-votes.
I can only think of one who could get a '1' as vote. The rest deserves some more. |
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H.O
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Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 70 |
Down-voting is a problem. Usually it seems to be for two reasons;
1. Someone disagrees with the total a group/person/release has got and then tries to bring it down (or up) even though they dont think said group/person/release deserves that grade.
Personally I find this both childish and lame, since the overall score reflects what everyone thinks of a group/person/release and not what one person thinks.
2. Someone wants a group/person/release to be before another group/person/release in the list and thus downvotes groups/persons/releases above it.
I think 1001 crew is a good example of the latter. They have gotten two 1-votes, three 2-votes and one 3-vote. Noone with any sense would seriously give those kind of votes to a group like 1001 crew. Even if you think they are overrated, that they were pompous in some of their texts (which they were, but most of us has been that in one scrolltext or two) there is no way to merit such a low vote for a group that was important both as crackers and coders; removing all the border alone makes it an important group in scene history.
I think the best way to get rid of some of this downvoting would be to make all votes public. If you cant stand for your vote when it is made public you shouldnt make that vote.
All IMO of course.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
this is a repeating problem... the public votes would be the radical cut. The best would be to set 1 month transition period, send out the e-mails to all the registered users of csdb who have hidden their votes that they have 1 month to erase the votes they consider usafe ;-))) |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 118 |
Quote: this is a repeating problem... the public votes would be the radical cut. The best would be to set 1 month transition period, send out the e-mails to all the registered users of csdb who have hidden their votes that they have 1 month to erase the votes they consider usafe ;-)))
Now that's a nice solution i think. |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Quote: this is a repeating problem... the public votes would be the radical cut. The best would be to set 1 month transition period, send out the e-mails to all the registered users of csdb who have hidden their votes that they have 1 month to erase the votes they consider usafe ;-)))
What is the problem making the votes public? People cant stand behind their votes? If thats the case they shouldnt even vote. |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Hehe,Human-nature disrupts any objective voting-system.
Many lines have been written about this topic already.
But making the votes public might be a good thing.
Anyway,my own rule is simple...
If I have nothing nice to say,I´ll shut up.
Besides..
Seeing a release rated too high (in your opinion) doesn´t need a harsh correction by giving it 1/2/3.
I have seen good stuff being lower rated than BASIC-shit.
Maybe it does help to make additional votes for demos possible.
Like a "Coding","Music","Graphics" and "Design" option? |
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Puterman
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
Mason, I think the only problem with public votes is that the people running this site don't want them. We even voted about it, didn't we? So I guess we'll have to live with these discussions popping up now and then. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Mason, I think the only problem with public votes is that the people running this site don't want them. We even voted about it, didn't we? So I guess we'll have to live with these discussions popping up now and then.
This is an old discussion, yes .. maybe I should once again bring up my solution that only public voters can give marks from 1-10, and anonymous voters from 4-7 or so?
Now please ignore this, as before, so everything is back to the status quo. |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Quote: This is an old discussion, yes .. maybe I should once again bring up my solution that only public voters can give marks from 1-10, and anonymous voters from 4-7 or so?
Now please ignore this, as before, so everything is back to the status quo.
Haha,good point.
Democracy rules!....Please be quiet!! ;) |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
Since virtually everyone and everything gets downvoted at some stage, I tend to think it all evens itself out anyway!
That said, I would like to see public voting. |
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Trash
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Quote: Mason, I think the only problem with public votes is that the people running this site don't want them. We even voted about it, didn't we? So I guess we'll have to live with these discussions popping up now and then.
Just for stating that I'll downvote you ;-) |
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SickSpiridon
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Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 6 |
Dear site admins, let us vote on it again, let us decide for those public votes and finally do nothing about it (again).
Or just remove the whole voting-system. It only spreads hate and makes people go nuts. |
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SickSpiridon
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Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 6 |
Once you have the option to make your votes public or hidden, you should also let the sceners deicide if they want to be ranked or not. |
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Puterman
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
Trash: It's not like you'd be the first one to downvote me. :) |
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SickSpiridon
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Posts: 6 |
deicide=decide :) |
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H.O
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Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 70 |
Quote: Trash: It's not like you'd be the first one to downvote me. :)
Then I'll just up-vote you to compensate. Oh wait, up-voting is against my principles just as much as down-voting, sorry ;)
edit: I just made my votes public. Seemed odd to talk about making all votes public and having your votes hidden at the same time.
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quote: Trash: It's not like you'd be the first one to downvote me. :)
what? you dont think those seven 1's you've recieved were well deserved? =) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: what? you dont think those seven 1's you've recieved were well deserved? =)
Problem is that I didn't notice 7 1's in your coder and graphician ranking.. Either I have been fooled and then it's 1:0 for you - and I should give you 2x 1 just to compensate my humiliation. Or, this was an intentional spam to get more visitors to your profile for which I should give you 2x 1 just because spam is evil thing and it should be fight against. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quote: Problem is that I didn't notice 7 1's in your coder and graphician ranking.. Either I have been fooled and then it's 1:0 for you - and I should give you 2x 1 just to compensate my humiliation. Or, this was an intentional spam to get more visitors to your profile for which I should give you 2x 1 just because spam is evil thing and it should be fight against.
or perhaps you didnt read our posts very carefully? |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
Quartet - this is such example of voting high (8-10) and low (1-3) at same time. seems few people get pissed off when they were high in CSDb.
don't forget they're actually first demo group in Poland.
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Trash
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Quote: Trash: It's not like you'd be the first one to downvote me. :)
Well, wouldn't downvote you, you might beat me up at lcp...
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: or perhaps you didnt read our posts very carefully?
whoops.. you're right.. you meant him.. anyway.. I checked your profile.. I hope you are happy.. this was the last time ! ;-)) (not) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Quartet - this is such example of voting high (8-10) and low (1-3) at same time. seems few people get pissed off when they were high in CSDb.
don't forget they're actually first demo group in Poland.
I don't see what being the first demo group in Poland has got to do with votes. A group should be judged on its quality, not on the fact that they were the first around.
That said, I don't think they deserve such low votes either, but hey .. |
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H.O
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Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 70 |
Any group that Polonus was a member of deserves high votes (like Science451 *hint*hint* ;) )
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quote: Quartet - this is such example of voting high (8-10) and low (1-3) at same time. seems few people get pissed off when they were high in CSDb.
don't forget they're actually first demo group in Poland.
I voted that group 1, I never heard of em and suddenly out of nowhere, a few unknown ppl vote it 10, and the group gets the #1 spot. well fuck that, never heard of quartet, so they got a 1 from me for cheating the votes.
Burglar/SCS*TRC |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
I never heard of "guests online:" but he's scored 13 .. Does anyone know how can I downvote him? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Oh he's got 10 now.. thanx to unknown voter for help. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Ahh he's back at 12.. damn you cheaters! ... Anyway... Burglar, I wonder how can a spirit like you present so much vanity... btw. there is an interesting company in that down-voters list ;-)) |
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Bastet
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 88 |
Just for the protocol, i am waving the full open votestats flag too.
I want to see who voted what.
In the same breathtake you could implement an oneliner (50 chars max) box where the voter can write in the reason for that vote.
I am still puzzeled who gave me the 1 for coding. I know that my releases till now stink to hell but who cares ;)
I could imagine Count or Streettuff... if they think its funny i let them have their fun *g*
*wanders off coding on his little rpg...* |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
wouldn't like that wars happen just because somebody voted for something and you could punish them |
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Bastet
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 88 |
I thought we all are out of kindergarten and so can provide and understand critic.
Or do some people feel uberleet when behaving like in kindergarten? ;)
"Waehhhhh, he gave me a vote of one so i give it back to him!!!"
'nuff said. This forum is a coding distraction!!! ;) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: I thought we all are out of kindergarten and so can provide and understand critic.
Or do some people feel uberleet when behaving like in kindergarten? ;)
"Waehhhhh, he gave me a vote of one so i give it back to him!!!"
'nuff said. This forum is a coding distraction!!! ;)
Unfortunately, I have seen that here :-/ |
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Bastet
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 88 |
Thanks, gave me an idea for my next entry somewhere *g* |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Thanks, gave me an idea for my next entry somewhere *g*
I wonder where that would be! :)
Oh, and you are welcome! |
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Bastet
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 88 |
That would be on the next party/con/whatever i show up *g*
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Burn
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 12 |
@Bastetfurry: Maybe you just deserve a 1 for coding? - Give it a thought! |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: @Bastetfurry: Maybe you just deserve a 1 for coding? - Give it a thought!
In this case the use of a smiley wouldn't be overdone...
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Burn
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 12 |
I don't think so. I've ment what I said. |
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Ben
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Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 163 |
I see no single reason why you would bother voting for someone that just started programming and thereby arguing here that this vote is justified..
BastetFurry -- ignore the votes, enjoy the coding! |
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Burn
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 12 |
See: If someone starts coding, what would you call him: a beginner, right! - And if (I say if) you should judge his abbility, would you give him a 10? - When I started coding (a long, long time ago), I would not complain about such things.
I've never been a good coder... finishing stuff is what I am good in. So I would not complain or even care of any vote. Life isn't fair, is it?
btw: I did not vote for him! |
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Ben
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Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 163 |
OK, Burn, I agree.. So perhaps the guy in fact is not good at all (yet), I still see no reason to vote a 1 for someone that has just commenced: this just is a serious attempt to be rude..
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Burn
Registered: Jun 2005
Posts: 12 |
I don't even see the reason to vote for someone which coding ability is hardly notable. And as said before, I would not care, even if I deserve it. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Ben, err... talking about voting; you downvoted yourself :D
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Bastet
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 88 |
@Burn:
As i said, i dont care, i know that i am not the ubercoder.
But IMO a 1 is for someone who does nothing and not for someone who does a "mock" entry.
If they want to play kindergarden, i let them and hope they find out for themself that their behaviour is just childish.
'nuff said! |
