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Tim
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How to update releases with screenshot when release is locked?
How to update releases with screenshot when release is locked?
example:
European Champions
I realise the obvious attempt would be to contact the person who locked the file, but doing this over and over is getting annoying.
Isn't it possible to unlock fields that are not yet filled because the person creating a release was not aware of them or to lazy to fill them? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i agree. atleast screenshots and even more important, the actual files, should be possible to add even when the entry is locked. |
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Tim
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how about ad extra files always open but locking the original file too?
motivation: I've seen a few files deleted that ended up being different versions.(and yes, one of them was a mistake of my own) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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yes yes :) perff are you listening? =) |
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assiduous
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Adding sid files in locked entries would be usefull too- alot of entries had been locked before this feature was introduced. |
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wreg
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'crack intro used' could be another candidate for this |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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I can only agree, I do hope Perff could come up with a solution for this, it's hopefully on a high place on his to do list. :)
Bordeaux, unfortunately there are some users here at csdb that keep on adding entries without a screen dump , they simply don't care to have a correct entry, this will probably never change.
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Perff
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I don't think the solution would be to make seartain fields unlocked on locked entries. First of all it would be a nasty hack, and I know it would cause trouble in the long run.
As the rules say, if you lock an entry you are responsible for maintaining that entry as good as possible, that is make sure as much info is pressent and correct. If a user can't do that, and won't respond to PM's or mails from other users, they simply shouldn't be maintainer. It's that simple.
So. Contact the user who maintains a locked entry. If no or negative response, contact me or the mods, and we'll remove that user as maintainer. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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I'd like to suggest to make some kind of upload pool that trusted users can access. That way workload can be minimized and every trusted user would get a PM automatically on his next log-on when new screenshots etc have been uploaded to the "pool".
So, in detail, there could be another button to upload a screenshot to the upload pool, maybe with the possibility to add extra info. Uh, I don't know, maybe this is all too much hassle... |
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Tim
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Hiya Perff, although I understand the rules and know a bit on the background why, I would like to point out that it is really really de-motivating to contact someone on each and every single file, then also PMs are not the best messaging system to keep a list of who has responded (its fine for short messages but not optimal) etc. meaning more and more work.
I have transferred hundreds of disks in the last weeks and yet after actively working on updating to csdb every day I have only managed to upload/edit/update under a 100 files, which probably only makes me respect the all-time top 50 list even more.
I do realize that a lot of files are locked due to people being afraid their releases will be deleted or wrongly edited by someone, but leaving empty fields unlocked and removing the delete option on files would be such a big extra and save a lot of time for the few enthusiasts trying to update details.
Last but not least, Groepaz mentioned missing files -> could it atleast not be a good idea to unlock all entries with no files, maybe post this event a month in advance to let people know that it will happen so that we can at least ad files to entries without having to create doubles?
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wreg
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this pool is a great idea as well! i second that! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
imho it'd be much better to change the meaning of "locked" from "can not be altered at all" to "existing data can not be altered" (meaning data that doesnt exist can always be added).
"upload pool" sounds like a whacked up hack to me :) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
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The pool idea is also used by Discogs.com and it works perfectly.
A number of mods/trusted users have to approve new entries before that entry is admitted.
I realise it's quite some work to add such a feature, but it can be usefull.
Also, I don't see why ADDING stuff to a locked entry can work like a hack... please explain. |
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Tim
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Mace I read 'hack' as workaround instead of unlocking fields that are not used.
but maybe it's what i want to read :) |
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Rough
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Hm, I think, Perff menas with hack that it would need him to dig deep into the database code which could cause the entire db to get messed up.
The pool is a bad idea, because I doubt moderators could keep up confirming all the stuff added. Too complicated. I mean it's annoying to send a mail to a mod for unlocking, but it's the best solution. |
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Tim
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Quote: I don't think the solution would be to make seartain fields unlocked on locked entries. First of all it would be a nasty hack, and I know it would cause trouble in the long run.
As the rules say, if you lock an entry you are responsible for maintaining that entry as good as possible, that is make sure as much info is pressent and correct. If a user can't do that, and won't respond to PM's or mails from other users, they simply shouldn't be maintainer. It's that simple.
So. Contact the user who maintains a locked entry. If no or negative response, contact me or the mods, and we'll remove that user as maintainer.
Perff, just re-read your post.
I know this is far-fetched, but define 'as good as possible', do you atleast have a time frame in mind for that? I am a bit worried that not everyone checks in on regular times, which is only logical with other priorities in life.
Also, if unlocking empty fields is not an option (i do actually see your point partially) how about speeding up the process, maybe automate the process slightly?
I was thinking of an unlock request button:
Click to notify the maintainer of this file that you wish to update this release.
Even better would be direct to email and not pm, but i know when I am stretching my wishes, so i'll not push that idea too hard.. hehe ;)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i thought about something like that too.... a button meaning "i want this entry unlocked" which eventually notifies the one who locked the entry, AND puts the entry on a list for moderators to check. |
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Tim
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yes yes yes.. exactly! |
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assiduous
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Maybe its just me but if i see a locked entry with some info/shot/sidfile missing then i don't bother with contacting anyone and just move on. I don't have time to contact each and every maintainer, thats just too much of a hassle for me. As far as i have noticed not even 50 % of maintainers are meticulous enough to include ALL the info. more often that not there's some bit missing. the question is: why should I bother if not only they didn't but also made it impossible for others to complete the entry. I can understand that some things might slip ones attention but putting spokes in others` wheels is a nono to me and discourages me from contributing. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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yes, this is a problem. the massive amount of locked entries originate from the times when there was little moderation, almost no logging, and too much vandalism going on. with better tools for all that beeing developed, it will hopefully be easier to maintain, and less locking will be necessary. |
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Tim
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Well that simply calls for unlocking and delete preventing and mutliple fields.. which makes me think to something i need to ad to the 'please add..' post right away ;) |
