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assiduous
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dentro/onefile demo/intro/crack intro
what's the difference between dentro, onefile demo and intro?
i believe i know the difference between an intro and a crack intro but hundreds of crack intros are marked here as intros so i'm puzzled about it too. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Dentro = Trackmo-esque demo but in 1 single file
Onefile Demo = Single screener or a press space demo in 1 file
Intro = Small dentro :)
Crack intro = intro infront of a cracked game |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
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oh, I thought a dentro is a large intro, but too small to be a demo :) |
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assiduous
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ok,the line between dentro and onefile demo should be rather clear but intro=small dentro is a joke. how can i figure out if a dentro is small enough to be an intro? anyway the vast majority of intros in the database are crack intros and no one seems to do anything about it. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: oh, I thought a dentro is a large intro, but too small to be a demo :)
Those poor dentros :) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
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crack intro is the same as intro to me. Where else would you wanna put an intro? If it's in front of a demo, it becomes part of a dentro. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: ok,the line between dentro and onefile demo should be rather clear but intro=small dentro is a joke. how can i figure out if a dentro is small enough to be an intro? anyway the vast majority of intros in the database are crack intros and no one seems to do anything about it.
Well, it is a thin line if it comes to intros and dentros on the C64, I guess. On platforms with >64kB it is more clearer.
Indeed, crack intros are often added as intros in this database and IMO that is totally wrong.
To be honest, I don't give a flying fuck anymore of the csdb database integrity. But that's a whole different story/thread. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: ok,the line between dentro and onefile demo should be rather clear but intro=small dentro is a joke. how can i figure out if a dentro is small enough to be an intro? anyway the vast majority of intros in the database are crack intros and no one seems to do anything about it.
It's up to its creator to call it a dentro or an intro. The term "dentro" has more hipness I guess. Like, "hmm, I did this demo and it's a kind of lame but I still wouldn't like to degrade it to the "intro" level so I'll just call it a dentro" |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
An intro is just one screen made to introduce something, a mag for example.
Cracktro is a terrible word but is an intro made to be put infront of cracks.
A dentro is a demo in one file consisting of several screens that move on without any interaction needed from the watcher, IMO it should only be used if it's stated to be a dentro.
A one-file demo is a demo in one file, it can be a press-space-demo with several parts or the parts go on by themselves (like in a dentro) or simply just one part but said to be a demo, otherwise it might also be an intro. :)
Crystal clear. ;) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: oh, I thought a dentro is a large intro, but too small to be a demo :)
hmm and I thought a dentro is a onefiler small demo. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11364 |
"dentro" is just like "cracktro" a terrible term invented by the amiga scene, they shouldnt be here at all, IMHO.
however - the original meaning is something along the lines of "preview of something which will at some point become a full demo". it later became a synonym for "one file demo with a trackmoish feel".
and please dont ever use "intro" for "small demo". thats just retarded. leave that to the pc scene =P |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Yepp, fully agree with Groepaz. The only thing that really exists is DEMO and INTRO, and the difference between those should be crystal clear already.
Further.. dentro == demo, since its purpose is not to be placed in front of a crack, tool or anything else. Let's forget the term now!
Also.. OneFileDemo == demo, of course. If someone is stupid enough to introduce the term OneFileDemo to let's say some database, there should also be other useless terms lite *mega demo*, *trackmo*, *press space demo* and other silly things. It's just almost as stupid as the ranking of "full screen graphicians" :PPP. Gosh, i love this place :). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11364 |
what HCL said =) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Yeah, let's cut down the number of choices.
We can't choose between multi-file crack and one-file crack either, so why do so with demos?
So I agree with Groepaz, HCL and Hein ;-) |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
what about the MMC-crowds that seek onefileness so badly?
And some tape-people do, I've been told :)
But to fully agree with ya all: never heard of dentro until 2000 or so - must be no/new-school.
More choices where appropiate (i.e. differenciate gfx) less where not.
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Bollocks to all of that.
Just have "crack" and "some other shite" and be done with it.
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 494 |
Yes, seems like everyone agrees..
To hell with Dentro and shitty names.. Those were only invented to lower the expectations, in order to appreciate the poor results! Real elite doesn't need such excuses ;) |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 110 |
In the very early days you just had an "intro" and a "demo". I don't see any reason why other shitty names should be use on the C64.
"Fuck de hokjes" (partly Dutch), just take it as it is and don't try to explain something by naming it different.. that's lame :) |
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Graham
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"Intro" wasn't a term for demos in the early days. "Intro" was a term for intros (which introduced something). There was no "intro which are small demos" before Mekka/Symposium had "C64 intro competitions". And before that, "intros which are small demos" existed only on PC and Amiga. But also there they were a misconception because the first intro competition was indeed dedicated to REAL crack or bbs intros, not demos. They quickly became little demos though, just to beat others in that competition. |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
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Those guys are teh st0pid! Let's not be like them. |
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Tim
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Fuck de hokjes.. lol :) Hi TPM :)
I too think Intro and Demo, done.
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assiduous
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ok so it looks like the majority seem to agree that this is a bit too many categories for single file demonstrations. is this going to be passed to the board of directors for further consideration ?
atleast it's good to see a footnote to the intro type to prevent further mistakes. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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I'm still waiting a reply from the mods concerning Groepaz harrassing me. Would you think they care about things other than database integrity ? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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I couldn't see him harrassing you in this thread, Oswald...?
Anyway, I still think a onefiler deserves its own category. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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not in this thread. anyway, changing categories would mean reviewing shitload of entries. thus database integrity wins. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i am not harrasing you. quite the contrary, you are making another offtopic posts which should simply be deleted.
as for the cathegories, we are discussing it, and we will probably come up with a better, more fine grained system, not only a single "release type". |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3054 |
Oswald. Please, stop harassing Groepaz!
Also stop image-harassing poor users giving stupid questions (I don't mean this particular thread).
;-) |
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assiduous
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Quote: I couldn't see him harrassing you in this thread, Oswald...?
Anyway, I still think a onefiler deserves its own category.
have you read this thread atall? no one denies that a onefiler should have its category. the question is if it deserves its 3 own categories.
Groepaz: OK looking forward to it |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Yeah, sure I've read it. From what I reckon there were suggestions to group everything what's not a game under "demo", that's what I found a bit scary. Hence my post. ;-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11364 |
no, we'll simply delete everything which isnt a game. starting with the sids!
the solution is so easy sometimes!
\o/ |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Booohoooooo! /o\ |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
Quote: no, we'll simply delete everything which isnt a game. starting with the sids!
the solution is so easy sometimes!
\o/
\o ?
:-(
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
I think that one-file prods should be divided only by size:
- 256B Intro
- 1kB Intro
- 4kB Intro
- 16kB Intro - I suppose that most regular intros are about this file size thus 16kB category would suit them perfectly ;)
- all above and up to 64kB - One-file Demo
Simple enough? :) |
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Luca
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 178 |
Quote: crack intro is the same as intro to me. Where else would you wanna put an intro? If it's in front of a demo, it becomes part of a dentro.
Hein was right, years ago: cracktros are a subset of intros, just like several other terrible (something)-tro types...like birthtros, for example.
Due to the fact that there are moooooore cracks than new groups per month, the term "cracktro" is much more around here.
Moreover, one distinctive fact about intros (like cracktros) should be highlighted comparing'em to onefiler in general: a someway lesser memory consumption is a valuable feature, in general. But this is fluffychatting, of course, you know... ;) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2925 |
Actually, we called them intros (on cracks) long before the demo part of whatever scene (amiga? pc?) glommed onto the name and forced a separation.
PS - the c64 doesn't have cracktros - head over to amiga/pc for that term |
