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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
D2TV mod commercial in disguise on c64.sk
Do you think this is fair:
"C64 D2TV PAL version hacked 01:03
The C64 D2TV PAL Version was hacked at Hobby & Elektronik 2005 Expo. The news is in german www.go64.de. But you can check the photo here. For those who are interested in C64 DTV (NTSC) hacking on their own, here is the info dtvhacking.info Alternative: for dummies Updated by CreaMD "
when you click on the "news" (go64.de) all what you find is a picture and sum text telling you how much it costs to order a modded D2TV.
What everyone (atleast me) would except when clicking there is about 15 pictures of the hack, and text on how to do it. But no, there's zero info about how they hacked it at the Hobby & Elektronik 2005 Expo. They just want your money.
Thats like when browsing for porn, and instead a gallery of a naked chick, you get 6 new window with porn advs. ;)
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
I wish I had your problems... |
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Ninja
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 411 |
Well, the times when Go64! was a valueable mag are long gone. It is all about making money nowadays... :( |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
I think the Go64-guys are probably smiling about this.
All this extra attention.
Might be good for business.. ;) |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
I don't see why starting the same discussion on two places (http://c64.sk/index.php?content=reactions.php&id=2790&articleid..). I don't see why the discussion was started with a NEWS ENTRY for complaining (I rate this in my head as spam).
In my eyes, this is what the "reactions" link is for in C64.SK
And I am amazed that CreamD and me agree regarding the DTV post, heheheh |
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T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
Nah, there *is* such a thing as bad publicity TCH... =-) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Nafcom, I thought I have the right to start the discussion in the news section, as posting a commercial in disguise is as much spam as my complains. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
this whole thing with commercial activities beeing mixed up with scene activities is just sad. even more sad to see how maintainers of certain scene pages cant cut the line properly (and i dont refer to c64.sk only here, csdb has the same problem). i just cant take certain things seriously anymore with all those double standards beeing widely accepted. *sigh* |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
You not even try to understand CreamD's and my point of view.
Steppe is right, by the way. I am out of the discussion and rather invest my energy in something useful than discussing =) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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You not even try to understand CreamD's and my point of view.
i understand it completely, but i dont *agree*. completely different thing. and simply ignoring that fact by "not wasting energy on discussing" won't do any good at all. if anything, it will drag away people from "wasting their energy" on supporting sites that they thought were dedicated to the scene. |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Crossbow said there are some nice instructions already or soon on c64forum.de and some american board i can't remember the name of. Yes, with lots of pictures! ;-) So just be a little patient, this is NOT about ripping off somebody... |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2925 |
DTV Hacking info: http://dtvhacking.info/
Forum: http://jledger.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=dtvhacking
The best info on the internet is there... the guys that worked on both versions post there.
Also, two newer games have been released in the US at Radio Shack stores called GM Corvette Steering Wheel and GM Hummer Steering Whell... both are based on DTV2 hardware and can be hacked in a similar fashion. These units were shown off at one of the US expos a while back... pictures are available http://www.jbrain.com/vicug/gallery/swrap2005/IMG_1990
http://www.jbrain.com/vicug/gallery/swrap2005/IMG_1999
http://www.jbrain.com/vicug/gallery/swrap2005/IMG_2000_003
Great to see my fellow NTSC sceners making commercial releases again... awesome stuff.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: Quote:
You not even try to understand CreamD's and my point of view.
i understand it completely, but i dont *agree*. completely different thing. and simply ignoring that fact by "not wasting energy on discussing" won't do any good at all. if anything, it will drag away people from "wasting their energy" on supporting sites that they thought were dedicated to the scene.
C64.sk is dedicated to the scene as much as scene is dedicated to C64.sk. If there are some sceners releasing some stuff , they should also put it at c64.sk (no I don't mean cracks of Protovision games ;-)). C64.sk is open news. Anyone can add any news anytime. The news are curretnly maintained by me, T.M.R. I trash everything I consinder abusing or stupid. But somehow the sharp edges which I had when I was starting the site turned more round over the time. ;-). Deleting/not deleting some news has almost always negative impact. I'm exaggerating a bit, but it's like this: If I trash it, the news poster hates me, if I won't trash it, someone will start accusing me of having too much tolerance etc.
I would like to trash following:
-all news about magazines and pages which aren't in english (e.g. some german paper mags news),
- I would like to trash all retro magazine news.
-I would like to trash (lets check the first page now...)
-.. slayradio retro concert news... (because it's not c64 release, or anything useful for c64 production etc. and it is not runnable on c64)...
-hacked c64 dtv..
- retro (*YUCK*) survival delayed - news..
- local tv cover belgian show..
- 8bit mayhem podcast news..
and I could continue with more and more posts like this.
But everytime I delete something there is someone who sees it like an unfair action ;-)
We had discussions about this with T.M.R. and MacGyver but we always ended on case-to-case evaluation policy..
what do you propose Groepaz?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
i wouldnt have a problem with you deleting all of what you listed :) i wouldnt have a problem with both scpu-stuff and c64dtv stuff removed from this database either for that matter. i would even go a step further and
- delete everything commercial (that includes go64 advertisements, protovision news, news about jens' products etc pp) if people want to get news on commercial activities they should consider using a commercial platform (such as the protovision or go64 homepage)
- delete anything related to 3rd party "c64 appearance"... "c64 featured on blablabla" etc crap
- delete _all_ news related to cracks. crack news belong into the underground discmags imho. they certainly dont belong on public news sites. (this also makes the problematic exception for protovision void)
- delete anything without real substance like "xyz website updated". that kinda stuff belongs into a forum or whatever else, not on the mainpage of a newssite.
like always, it all boils down to what you really want the site to be. if you want to be a generic page for "everyone" that covers "all", you need to allow all. but you will certainly loose a bunch of sceners as readers. if you want it to be a scene-news sites, you need to drop some of the unrelated mainstream stuff. but you will loose a bunch of other readers.
the point is a different one however (and this database has a simelar problem) - there should be distinct rules, and you should stick to them. NO exceptions. then everyone can judge by the rules if he can agree with them according to his own definition of what is scene and what is not (i'm very aware of the fact that different people have different opinions on this). having said that, i can say that both csdb and c64.sk lost value -for me- in the past months due to the increased number of -to me- useless crap happening there.
but you shouldnt listen to me anyways. i'm just a lame cracker who already did his part in destroying the c64 o_O
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Hmmm..
Why not create a "c64bullshit.com".
Many people put interest into an ancient machine,but it is
clearly not appreciated by some.
Lets put them where they belong!!
Seriously now..
Why these bad-vibes about C64 related things?
You should rejoice that others also have an interest in
the Commodore!
I consider C64.sk as my newspaper related to the C64.
Many articles I skip,but there are some very good ones
every now and again.
And this stab at CSDb I really don´t understand?!
What is your problem?? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:
Why these bad-vibes about C64 related things?
You should rejoice that others also have an interest in
the Commodore!
I consider C64.sk as my newspaper related to the C64.
Many articles I skip,but there are some very good ones
every now and again.
to put it simple: i dont care about those who arent involved into what i consider "scene". that includes ppl whose only interest is playing the old games, remix sid tunes, use geos or anything else of that crap. go64 and loadstar and all that stuff is a better platform for them.
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And this stab at CSDb I really don´t understand?!
What is your problem??
i'm referring to this ** Link removed by CSDb staff due to copyright. Please do not provide download links to this ** discussion, the issue still hasnt been solved
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
heh, I didnt wanted to go as deep as Groepaz did. Why I started all the whining, is that the post in question was absolutely misleading. if it would contain the information that this is something for money, I would have simply skipped it. It was unfair not doing that. Our world is so much full of commercials, I cant go from point X to point Y in Budapest without having 3 ppl pushing into my face their flyers. Atleast I can avoid that, but the post in c64.sk didnt give me the chance. |
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Credo
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 11 |
I agree with Groepaz, there are many useless news on C64.sk for me too, many aren't useful for sceners, many aren't useful for retrogamers, many aren't useful for partygoers etc. And I agree, the ads (however I guess unpaid ones, so they shouldn't be marked with (x) and attacked really heavily) and the sticky news are even more annoying.
A good solution would be (needs some server coding and database conversion) to categorize the news, label them in their headline (party news, game news, site update news, game release news etc.) and let us filter them somehow. A good example for this can be seen at (http://www.hcgamer.hu/), a similiar newsportal I'm working for. There you can see two checkboxes above the news, one for console news and one for PC news - it was added because most of our readers are PC fanatics and console haters, so they can filter out the unwanted console news. Of course this selection is stored in a cookie, so similiar way everyone could finetune C64.sk to his/her needs.
Just my 2 cents, which could satisfy all parties. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2925 |
Amiga News Network has a good system... checkmark what you want to see and not see... and you get it...
Categories include:
News Motd Files Web Rant Events Unmoderated Forum
http://www.ann.lu
At this point I think it's too much to change c64.sk into some "this only" or "that only" category. As someone already posted, it's like a daily dose of C64 info/news.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: heh, I didnt wanted to go as deep as Groepaz did. Why I started all the whining, is that the post in question was absolutely misleading. if it would contain the information that this is something for money, I would have simply skipped it. It was unfair not doing that. Our world is so much full of commercials, I cant go from point X to point Y in Budapest without having 3 ppl pushing into my face their flyers. Atleast I can avoid that, but the post in c64.sk didnt give me the chance.
Good! I'll add a strict rule that Title of the news and the text should clearly show what is going on. If not, "we reserve the right to remove the news"
Groepaz: your analysis is right. The more strict I'll be the less people will love me... eee.. I wanted to say. The less people will accept c64.sk as *their* news server. So there must be some general compromise, or better organisation ;-). Maybe colors.... or some cathegories.
T.M.R., MacGyver and Me spent debates about this but came to same conclusion. We have to evaluate it from case to case basis.
roman |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: I agree with Groepaz, there are many useless news on C64.sk for me too, many aren't useful for sceners, many aren't useful for retrogamers, many aren't useful for partygoers etc. And I agree, the ads (however I guess unpaid ones, so they shouldn't be marked with (x) and attacked really heavily) and the sticky news are even more annoying.
A good solution would be (needs some server coding and database conversion) to categorize the news, label them in their headline (party news, game news, site update news, game release news etc.) and let us filter them somehow. A good example for this can be seen at (http://www.hcgamer.hu/), a similiar newsportal I'm working for. There you can see two checkboxes above the news, one for console news and one for PC news - it was added because most of our readers are PC fanatics and console haters, so they can filter out the unwanted console news. Of course this selection is stored in a cookie, so similiar way everyone could finetune C64.sk to his/her needs.
Just my 2 cents, which could satisfy all parties.
Yes this is good idea. I was thinking about something like this. This will also solve long lasting problem with "related" news .. they will be simply filtered on default ;-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: Amiga News Network has a good system... checkmark what you want to see and not see... and you get it...
Categories include:
News Motd Files Web Rant Events Unmoderated Forum
http://www.ann.lu
At this point I think it's too much to change c64.sk into some "this only" or "that only" category. As someone already posted, it's like a daily dose of C64 info/news.
" it's like a daily dose of C64 info/news." and I would like if it stayed like that. Plus I would like that sceners would post more about their work.
Cathegorisation would probably have 2 parts:
1: cathegory of content (expandable)... various types of release (will be probably compatible with CSDB).. ,
I think that for new releases added to CSDB there could be automatic news feed mead in cooperation with Perff. I'm already receiving e-mails after midnight, but adding it automatically would be the best thing. That way scener wouldn't have to add the release twice. Aalthough I like some originality in news text, so maybe it should be possible to add some additional news text to automatic news if anyone would like to.. mhm.. ;-)
2: type of news: retro, commercial, hardware, software, scene, I will have to think about this more.
What is important for me is that scene news can't be filtered out. The rest will be on visitors will.
roman
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: " it's like a daily dose of C64 info/news." and I would like if it stayed like that. Plus I would like that sceners would post more about their work.
Cathegorisation would probably have 2 parts:
1: cathegory of content (expandable)... various types of release (will be probably compatible with CSDB).. ,
I think that for new releases added to CSDB there could be automatic news feed mead in cooperation with Perff. I'm already receiving e-mails after midnight, but adding it automatically would be the best thing. That way scener wouldn't have to add the release twice. Aalthough I like some originality in news text, so maybe it should be possible to add some additional news text to automatic news if anyone would like to.. mhm.. ;-)
2: type of news: retro, commercial, hardware, software, scene, I will have to think about this more.
What is important for me is that scene news can't be filtered out. The rest will be on visitors will.
roman
So if I understood this correct (hello CreamD ;) ), then people can choose between C64 scene and other retro/misc C64 news, right? Because I like reading about retro & misc C64 news too (depending on what it is exactly about!).
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: So if I understood this correct (hello CreamD ;) ), then people can choose between C64 scene and other retro/misc C64 news, right? Because I like reading about retro & misc C64 news too (depending on what it is exactly about!).
You will choose what (except of scene news) you don't want to see. Scene news won't be filterable. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: You will choose what (except of scene news) you don't want to see. Scene news won't be filterable.
Okay, thanks! :) |
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DeeKay
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 363 |
Quote: Hmmm..
Why not create a "c64bullshit.com".
Many people put interest into an ancient machine,but it is
clearly not appreciated by some.
Lets put them where they belong!!
Seriously now..
Why these bad-vibes about C64 related things?
You should rejoice that others also have an interest in
the Commodore!
I consider C64.sk as my newspaper related to the C64.
Many articles I skip,but there are some very good ones
every now and again.
And this stab at CSDb I really don´t understand?!
What is your problem??
Groepaz Problem is that he's anti-everything that's not reverse engineering and plain vanilla c64! ;-)
He's a nice chap and we all love him, but just don't listen to him when he starts his "nobody needs that" rants, he just loves promoting his own needs to the needs of the public! ;-)
Seriously: Who would ever object to News about the DTV or Slay radio on a c64 news site? There's really not that much happening in the c64 realm worldwide to have such strict rules! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:
Groepaz Problem is that he's anti-everything that's not reverse engineering and plain vanilla c64! ;-)
He's a nice chap and we all love him, but just don't listen to him when he starts his "nobody needs that" rants, he just loves promoting his own needs to the needs of the public! ;-)
thats nonsense. what i'm against is things that arent *scene* (in this case _c64_ scene) but are presented in a supposed to be scene context. i'm a strong disbeliver of that "we can satisfy all" nonsense everyone seems to go mad about these days.
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Seriously: Who would ever object to News about the DTV or Slay radio on a c64 news site? There's really not that much happening in the c64 realm worldwide to have such strict rules!
the original point is that there is a big difference between a "hey look you can buy your hacked dtv here" advertisement and whatever scene related news. no more no less. i would have loved to read a detailed article about the whole thing myself, but all that was posted was an advertisement.
and besides that, c64 scene is still one of the strongest moving scenes around, i dont think we need all that retro crap just to have more news. |
