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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Cooperations
I was going to submit some cracks from Ikari+Talent when I noticed to my surprise that there's no entry for this coop yet.
What's the though about this? Should I add I+T as a new group or should I credit all I+T cracks to both groups?
I'd say a new group is needed to make it easier to find the releases from the coop more easily.
There's already a couple of other coops added, such as Success + The Ruling Company, <group id=843>, WOW+ROLE. |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: I was going to submit some cracks from Ikari+Talent when I noticed to my surprise that there's no entry for this coop yet.
What's the though about this? Should I add I+T as a new group or should I credit all I+T cracks to both groups?
I'd say a new group is needed to make it easier to find the releases from the coop more easily.
There's already a couple of other coops added, such as Success + The Ruling Company, <group id=843>, WOW+ROLE.
I would say make a seperate entry, I also did it for
the TRC+TBI cooperation and ofcourse for the SCS*TRC coop.
Niels
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Ok, so I added it. Maybe someone could add some more info, like members & founding date etc? |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Ok, so I added it. Maybe someone could add some more info, like members & founding date etc?
OK, added some members + founding year, futher also
PM Just Ice to change his locked entries :)
Niels |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Good boy ;) |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Good boy ;)
Now go and give me a cookie :)
Niels |
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Stan
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Quote: Ok, so I added it. Maybe someone could add some more info, like members & founding date etc?
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Now go and give me a cookie :)
Niels
DON'T!!
It will give him a sugar-rush, and you wouldn't like what that does to him.
Sid-slammin'! |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
I´ve been thinking about adding the Ikari+Talent coop from time to time, but never did anything about it. Many members from Ikari and also some members from Talent have been here at CSDb, and I wonder, why none of them have ever added the cooperation..
Anyway, lot´s of co-ops are missing then, as many groups had some shorter co-ops in periods. Just to mention a few from the cracking scene. Deadline was in co-op with Project-X in 91/92 and with Arcade in 92.
Later Deadline was also in co-op with Genetix, and also my ex. group Vision was in co-op with Genetix for a short period, where I remember they released lot´s of cracks together with the cracker DMC/Genetix/Illusion.. (http://intros.c64.org/intros/vsn_gtx-01.gif)
Some of the co-op info I´ve added at many of the groups profiles, as I wasn´t sure, if I thought the cooperations should actually be added as one group...
Guess that depends....
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Not to forget Acrise+Varsity(probably in the end of 1991/start 1992), Acrise+Excess, Hysteric+Insiders, Holocaust+Fresh etc. etc. etc.
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
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isnt there a big difference in co-ops like TRSI, SCS+TRC and I+T in the meaning that they ended up as one group. Comparing shorter co-ops, whereas the lifespan was just as long as one of the groups continued to supply games or whatever the deal was.
Altough, Talent did return some years after....
What I try to say with this is that maybe not every co-op should be added as a new group? |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: isnt there a big difference in co-ops like TRSI, SCS+TRC and I+T in the meaning that they ended up as one group. Comparing shorter co-ops, whereas the lifespan was just as long as one of the groups continued to supply games or whatever the deal was.
Altough, Talent did return some years after....
What I try to say with this is that maybe not every co-op should be added as a new group?
I totally agree. |
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H.O
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IMO, a group is a group and coop is a coop. Productions should be credited to groups, and not to coops, but released by coops.
For example, if Doc of Ikari cracked something while they were in coop with Talent, the crack should be labelled both under Ikari and Talent, but the cracking credit should be "Doc of Ikari"
It's a cooperation between two groups, not a new group. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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Quote: IMO, a group is a group and coop is a coop. Productions should be credited to groups, and not to coops, but released by coops.
For example, if Doc of Ikari cracked something while they were in coop with Talent, the crack should be labelled both under Ikari and Talent, but the cracking credit should be "Doc of Ikari"
It's a cooperation between two groups, not a new group.
I agree with HO. Maybe some new option should be made to link 2 groups together in the period that they had the coop. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: I agree with HO. Maybe some new option should be made to link 2 groups together in the period that they had the coop.
"We planned that for version 2.0"
Hehehe :)
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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What Earthshaker suggests is a good idea. However, since we don't have such a feature right now I think that long living coops deserve an own entry since that makes it easier to separate the coop releases from the individual group releases. Just adding two groups as authors of an entry doesn't necesarily make it a coop, one example is imported releases. |
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Tch
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I have added some Brutal+Dunex cracks myself.
Credited both groups for the release.
It was stricktly a cracking-coop, so I don´t think it deserves a new entry.
Maniac had quit the scene and R.C.S. got a lot of originals,so he basically gave them to Spikes to crack them.
Hmm,Ikari+Talent..
I´d say, no new entry.
Credit the cracker and maybe add a Trivia to both groups when they went into coop.
Should make things easy enough to search the database. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Well, in a way I agree...but that should mean that NO coops were alloved an own entry. So we'll need to split coops like Tristar & Red Sector Inc., Success + The Ruling Company, <group id=843>, WOW+ROLE, Pioneers+The Guardian Angels, The Ruling Company+The Blasters Incorporated. |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Well, seems it´s actually not that easy..
Also X-Ray was in co-op with Success in 1990, but also The Arrogance didn´t add that as a group in here, when he cleared up the whole history of Success.
Later X-Ray was also in cooperation with Transcom in about 1990/1991.
Crazy was in co-op with Lotus in 89/90 and later with G*P. Also G*P was in cooperation with Fire Eagle for about a month.
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
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Hmm, actually I think the co-op between X-Ray+Success has been created in here, as I think I remember, that Mason/Unicess was added to that memberlist, but then The Arrogance corrected that, and put Mason on the X-Ray list instead of the co-op memberlist.. Seems that someone has deleted that co-op in here again.. Probably The Arrogance.
Actually also Vision and Sire was in co-op in about 1989/90. If you have some of their releases, I would very much like to check it out ;-)
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
yea sounds to me it's getting a bit confuzing all those coops.
wow+rush
wow+intruders
wow+role (eheh)
wow+shadedesigns
anyway, lots of coops out there that were brought alive that only last 1 release. thats not really a coop coop if u know what I mean. the wow+shadedesigns is only 1 simple example. and there's heaps more |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
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But its still a fact that people aren't a member of a coop, but just a member of one of the groups in that coop. So you cant add em as member of the coop, just as member of one of those groups.
I really think that the option i mentioned before should be implented and not only in a v2 version of the database. Who knows how long that will take before that version arrives.
All coop entries i entered, are just credited to the two groups in that coop.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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There are cases were a coop needs a separate entry to store information which is specific for the coop only but not valid for any of the involved groups alone. |
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 206 |
It would be nonsense to add to CSDB all cooperations as the new groups. I agree with H.O. opinion about coops, they should be credited for both group.
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CyberBrain
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I must admit i don't know much about how these coops excatly worked. But werent some of the coops more like groups (having own members, etc), than just two groups working together? |
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SECRET MAN
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Registered: Jun 2004
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I remember a lot of Cooperations like:
Genesis + Fire Eagle
Alpha Flight + Paramount
Light Circle + Radwar
Fantasy Cracking Service + The Last Science
Online+Ikari
Image+The Blasters
Beastie Boys + The light Circle
Federation against Copyright+The Lost Science
Wanderer Group+Pentacle
Trianon + Starline
Madsquad+ C64CG
Trsi+Dytec
and so........ |
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Tch
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Quote: I must admit i don't know much about how these coops excatly worked. But werent some of the coops more like groups (having own members, etc), than just two groups working together?
It was very uncommon for someone to be in two groups (musicians the exception).
And if they were,it was more being a member of a sub-group within the group.
Especially crackers stuck to one group only.
All coops I know of,had no ´coop-members´.
It was always mentioned which group the cracker was part of. |
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Graham
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If a cooperation is so "strong" that you cannot tell which person is member of which group, then it is not a coop anymore but a new group which just has the name "X + Y soft". |
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The Arrogance
Registered: May 2004
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Indeed Dishy, i sorted the mess by deleting the whole so called group "Success + X-Ray", as it wasn't actually a group, but just a coop. Guess other cooperations should be handled the same way, but this is none of my business.. former members may do so or not! About Success + The Ruling Company.. well, opinions differ, but for me, it wasn't a group either, but a cooperation.. whatever, it's all history, nothing to really bother about! ;)
"Have a nice day" to everyone.
L8er.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
After some consideration I decided to remove Ikari+Talent & change the credits for the 3 releases I added to the 2 individual groups instead. |
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SECRET MAN
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Yep Zyron,I think thats the right way. |
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Just Ice
Registered: Jan 2005
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Being one of the groups involved, its easier to just credit both groups for their involvement. I can not recollect thedates when the co-op started etc....We are both individual groups who enjoyed a co-operation at the end of the reign! All the best - Mark |
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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Hey Mark,
Nice to hear an opinion from an old Ikari member in this cooperation debate;-)
(Just made a fast edit on this one, as I wrote it after a Cristmas party with lots of beers all night/morning, so my old post didn´t make any sense;)
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Crossfire
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Hm, I rememeber seing a bundle of wares by Triad+Fairlight back in 91, possibly....don't remember though if it was a real co-op or just for a few cracks for fun?! |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
Quote: Hm, I rememeber seing a bundle of wares by Triad+Fairlight back in 91, possibly....don't remember though if it was a real co-op or just for a few cracks for fun?!
That was Turbo outrun and one other crack, cant remember. More or less the story was a onetime deal built upon the situation that that FLT had originals but no crackers and we had crackers but no originals.. |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
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Did Bachus crack Turbo Outrun?
I remember it because I actually rang him once and spoke to him for a short while. One of the things we spoke about was his turbo outrun crack, and how disappointed he was with himself for the 2nd side.... |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
Ofcourse I was wrong. The titles in question was Thunder Jaws and Turbo Charge.
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Crossfire
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Quite possibly, only remember the joint intro! :-) |
