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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Gamelamers about the demoscene
I just had to share this with you =)
From http://www.protocol42.com/ :
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What's the news? Well, first off, I'd like to welcome Legalize as a co-conspirator of the Annual September Protocol 42 LAN party! Who is Legalize? He's just this guy, ya know? (some of you will get that)
Legalize runs an event called a "Demoscene", and I'm sure most all of you gamers have used and keygen or some sort of exe patching tool that had a cool little gui and some built in music.
Well, that's a "demo" in this respect. People involved in the demo scene have competitions to make an entire 3D playable game with multiple levels and interaction under certain critieria, for example, the size limit would be 96 KB. There are a large number of these sorts of "demos" available, (here's one... http://www.theprodukkt.com/kkrieger.html ). So in a nut shell, that is what the demoscene is about, pushing the limits of music, programming and graphics! Find out more about Pilgrimage here --> http://pilgrimage.scene.org/2006/index.html
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*COUGH!*
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T.M.R
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Oh. For. Fucks. Sake. |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
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Pilgramage is a US-Party
Wanderer is among the TOP10 NTSC-Coders.
Pity America.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Wanderer is a coder? |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
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Sure, he just fixed a Demo and will release a Game next week with Richard Bayliss.
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The Phantom
Registered: Jan 2004
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Cool. Only if making demos that way were real. I don't consider it a real demo myself if it's not capable of going full screen.
Also. Wanderer is CANADIAN, so don't pity America.
I honestly don't see why everyone give's Wanderer slack, but it's not my place to get involved, so ignore that. |
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Wanderer
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Quote: Sure, he just fixed a Demo and will release a Game next week with Richard Bayliss.
NTSC fixes
Trainers
A few late 80's cracks
Three games
A hundred or so demos
About a dozen utilities
A few programs published in Compute's Gazette
Voted #1 programmer in the Mamba Magazine diskmag once
Yes I am indeed a coder. However I think in terms of parallel, meaning we're all here for the same reason. I don't think in terms of having to be better than anyone else :) In fact I don't think in my 20 year time-lapse on the C64 I have ever put down someone else's work who did not insult mine first. And yet there seems to be a lot of that lately from a few Euros.
There are always going be coders better than me and I will always be better than other coders. Anyone who knows me from the 1980's knows I have never been egotistical. I have always helped out other coders. That has never changed.
Some people build you up, others tear you down. It's nothing new and at the end of the day when you put your head on the pillow to sleep, they are still nothing more than opinions. We all have them, but it doesn't mean they're true :) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: Pilgramage is a US-Party
Wanderer is among the TOP10 NTSC-Coders.
Pity America.
Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
Save your pity for people that care... damn German.
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Wanderer
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Quote: Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
Save your pity for people that care... damn German.
I may not have gone through 75 handles or been in 200 groups but according to a couple of voting polls I was not only in the top 10 but at the top position for a few months.
While I wrote to the magazine that I felt I was not #1, I do feel I was (off and on according to others in the scene leaving and entering), within the top 10 and at other times below it. It cannot be a 'blanket' statement as the scene is ever-evolving and people transition.
Your claim of my not being in the top 10 is a mere opinion. My claim to be #1 was proof as having been given by all that voted in the two month time.
Thank you come again. :)
Re-edit: I'm not going to debate being in the top 10, etc. I do what I do, and I do so by my own rules. |
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Slartibartfast
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So very humble. |
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Moloch
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Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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How about getting back to topic and stopping eating our own tail.. thankyor.. |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
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Wanderer, you are in the Top10, because there are less then 10 Coders active in the NTSC Scene.
Here in Europe you would not even be in the Top1000.
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: How about getting back to topic and stopping eating our own tail.. thankyor..
Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
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Minksler
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Another thread, another hostile takeover.
Please respect the topic and the original post.
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Slartibartfast
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Quote: Another thread, another hostile takeover.
Please respect the topic and the original post.
Respect the topic?
"Gamelamers about the demoscene"?
Obviously this is a very serious thread... |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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Moloch:
"damn German."
Hmmm. Damn racist comes to mind, or atleast a stereo-typing slant. Please correct me if I'm wrong, the problem with the internet is also misinterpretations. ;)
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Wanderer
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Quote: Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
According to votes held in the 1990's, published in a disk mag, I was not only in the top ten but #1.
Consider also CSDB votes, for which I have a 6.7/10 (interestingly enough yours 3.9/10). The above two voting results were held all across the world, and done in a fair method.
I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, but I am saying that the facts often speak a different story than one person's opinion. Oh and it means the price of tea in China has nothing to do with the fossil fuel market while taking a shower in the Bahama's :)
Anyway I'm done defending myself. The record shows a different story. |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
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your own vote vanished all of a sudden |
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Wanderer
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*burp* |
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Moloch
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Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
This isn't "mere opinion", this is knowledge from experience. As part of the staff for majority of the NTSC demo scene magazines (Outline, Insight, Expose, Harakiri, Infinity, and Driven) my job was to gather news and votes - by phone. I'd call sceners monthly to get group updates and their opinions (votes) about the most recent releases. The general comments concerning any new WDR release were along the lines "terrible logos", "fake claims to first time ever routines", "did he rip that code also?", "Is the rumor about him using a B&W TV true? (because of the horrible color choices in his demos)", etc.
The only other magazines around were Point of View, which manufactured it's chart, nobody I spoke to voted for it. Loss of Carrier which was wishy-washy at best with it's material/content.
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DCMP
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AH! Brilliant story in the topic here.
Thanks for posting Scout |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Also, for the people that don't do IRC... I make sarcastic comments like "damn Seeds", "damn Germans", etc. all the time... it's nothing serious...
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Pilgramage is a US-Party
Wanderer is among the TOP10 NTSC-Coders.
Pity America.
whats so bad about Pilgrimage ? |
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SECRET MAN
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I was in the Ntsc Top Ten.Most Of my demos are flickering like hell :-) |
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Wanderer
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Quote: Wanderer was _never_ considered "top 10" in the NTSC demo scene when he was active.
This isn't "mere opinion", this is knowledge from experience. As part of the staff for majority of the NTSC demo scene magazines (Outline, Insight, Expose, Harakiri, Infinity, and Driven) my job was to gather news and votes - by phone. I'd call sceners monthly to get group updates and their opinions (votes) about the most recent releases. The general comments concerning any new WDR release were along the lines "terrible logos", "fake claims to first time ever routines", "did he rip that code also?", "Is the rumor about him using a B&W TV true? (because of the horrible color choices in his demos)", etc.
The only other magazines around were Point of View, which manufactured it's chart, nobody I spoke to voted for it. Loss of Carrier which was wishy-washy at best with it's material/content.
All I see are a list of disk mags that met with catastrophic failure with each magazine dying after only 2-4 issues. Is that why you changed your handle so often?
I then look at a well respected mag, Mamba, which didn't phone people at home to get opinions subject to bias.
Now I KNOW that I was not #1 at any time, but in the minds of 30+ people around the world who sent in their votes for those two months, I was considered to be :)
That is history, it isn't wishful thinking or unfounded. So you are mistaken when you say I was never considered to be in the top 10. History shows I was not only that but at top position. We could also dicuss a few polls taken on BBS's as well :) but we won't.
Moloch's claims remain unfounded. I stated what DID happen. Mind you he also claims a B&W tv was used to code when in fact I was retired by that point and it was used solely for a BBS.
Since I can't rewrite history, I'll consider this topic done with and move on to another thread. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Euro magazine? haha Euro magazines were notorious for their incorrect information about the NTSC demo scene... and the fact that none of your fellow NTSC sceners would vote you in any top position shows the truth. (edit: especially Mamba)
You can navigate around anything said here - but what I say is the truth. I have no reason to lie, unlike others here, I have no agenda against you.
You can also slap down those magazines listed, but those were _the_ magazines of the NTSC demo scene. Some died quickly, but that doesn't change what they reported.
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Wanderer
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Quote: Euro magazine? haha Euro magazines were notorious for their incorrect information about the NTSC demo scene... and the fact that none of your fellow NTSC sceners would vote you in any top position shows the truth. (edit: especially Mamba)
You can navigate around anything said here - but what I say is the truth. I have no reason to lie, unlike others here, I have no agenda against you.
You can also slap down those magazines listed, but those were _the_ magazines of the NTSC demo scene. Some died quickly, but that doesn't change what they reported.
Blah blah and blah.
My point is that the votes were taken and the results show exactly what have I stated they showed.
You can cry incorrect information all you wish and you can base your opinion, or 'experience' on the people you phoned personally.
I will go with what history showed because I'm not interested in debating FACTS from two decades ago.
I wonder if I was so bad, was I asked by the members of Abyss to submit a part for Aftershock? Why was I ranked in the top 5 on Jimmy Z's BBS? Things that make you go hmmm :D
It's rhetorical though.... I'm finished this discussion |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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This is the end.
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Slartibartfast
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I have nothing further to add to this thread. (tm) |
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SECRET MAN
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Result: Give your vote to Secret Man as the best Ntsc coder.
Thanx in advance
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T.M.R
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i already have 7.8 (with the 1 i gave myself) for code and have done some NTSC stuff... that makes me the bestest NTSC coder! =-) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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/me stabs TMR with a sp0rk!
:D
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Six
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TMR, your 4k demo in the old driven compo rocked, so I may just have to concur with that, but we do still have some damn fine coders over here. (just no gfx or music people)
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Wanderer
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Quote: Result: Give your vote to Secret Man as the best Ntsc coder.
Thanx in advance
Christian you are a nutter lol :)
I went to go give you a sympathy vote for coder but you're not listed for such.
I did see a perfect score of 1's though. Ouch! :(
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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All I have is a 10" penis! And I can also predict topic lockings. Does that counts here? |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: All I have is a 10" penis! And I can also predict topic lockings. Does that counts here?
A psychic donkey dick... yes, that counts here too. =)
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SECRET MAN
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Vote for the best ntsc coder
Vote for the best flickering
Vote for the ME
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madcrow
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I for one, think that this, if handled properly, could be a good thing that might convert a few gamerlamers into real sceners. Modern PC demo making tools can be EXTREMELY sophisticated and can produce demos that look as good as real coded demos. Even well-repected PC demogroups like farbrausch work primarilly with demomaking tools (actually they WROTE the most advanced, sophisticated one) Of course, real democoders can still code by hand either from scratch or to make plugins to enable more advanced effects than otherwise possible in the various demomakers.
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please have pity on the n00bish emu kiddie responsible for the post above. |
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Tch
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Copy+paste is not really how things work down here,or am I wrong?
Don´t give me a demo-maker,that way I´ll never learn anything.. ;P |
