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Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Mr. Wax / Chromance!
Hey
Today I just received a mail concerning my old friend and groupmate, Mr. Wax. Mail was sent to me by a guy, that I don´t know.(A "Chris"....)
I find it a little weird. Who´s sending these mails about Balázs?
Send me a post, if you have also got this mail and know what all this is about!
(Edit: Just called a few old sceners, and I see, they also got this mail! So seems quite many from CSDb, has got it! Hmm..)
*****Once A Scener - Always A Scener***** |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Of late the only person "investigating" Mr.Wax is Wanderer. Apparently he was curious to see if Wax really did die in a car accident or if it was just a mere hoax/smoke-screen to avoid Operation Fastlink (which did a lot of damage to mp3/iso groups, f.e. FLT iso division).
Quite possible this Chris is Wanderer or at least a friend or assosciate of Wanderer.
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Heavy Head
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 8 |
I received the mail Dishy is talking about today aswell.. so he is not the only one.. |
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6R6
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 245 |
This was posted under "other news" at c64.sk on friday
16.06.2006 05:08 in the morning:
http://www.geocities.com/mr_wax_chromance/
However, the site has changed since the post was made.
GRG
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
So Mr. Wax is the 8bit Elvis?
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Commodore 64 Scenemusic Podcast
http://8bitmayhem.blogspot.com/ |
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Stan
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 187 |
This sounds too artificial. Moreover, how sarcastic that would be... Your brother gets killed in a car accident and you fake one. |
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Heavy Head
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 8 |
the url is still working... |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Stan: yeh, a very valid point. Just seems bizarre.
The only people that could confirm it would be his parents. |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
I'm speachless.
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
well, I got mailed aswell, and guess where it came from:
jap.anonymizer.ccc.de (85.214.59.14)
so, be smart, and ignore the whole issue. someone is playing tricks again. very sad it has to be over the back of a lost friend (rip, balazs) |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Well, it's not someone we don't know. It is Wanderer and his friend that are doing this. Before you got all these emails and the geocities site was online, Wanderer has been bombarding myself and Jean/Chromance with investigative emails. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
wanderer has a friend? |
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stash
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 343 |
i got that mail aswell.. and he has also sent alot of mails to macx |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 121 |
Stupid idiots playing such games...
Can´t even let the mort rest in peace...
Suckerz with no pride and hounour.
Can´t wait to see ppl dancing on their graves.
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I wish it was true Balazs spread his fake-death, he was a real cool friend and Chromance was the group I enjoyed the very most.
Most other groups (especially Germans) had a major lack of organization and bunch of idiots in their groups.
Mr.Wax, Jazzy D and most of the other Chromancer's were also interesting persons in the so-called "real life"
If (IF!) it was Wanderer to spread such stuff, why would he do such crap?
Wondering. |
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stash
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 343 |
becoz wdr is a faggot seeking for attention that´s why |
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Yodelking
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 189 |
Quote: becoz wdr is a faggot seeking for attention that´s why
Please don't start all over writing like this! |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 121 |
Sure this are hard words... But sometime someone did things that hurts other and open old wounds again...
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Well, Wanderer still *trolls* around here (uploading his recracks), maybe he can write something about all these emails and his investigation. |
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Dipswitch
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 42 |
i got this mail too. and i'm not even really a c64 scener (although i had contact to mr. wax). |
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Wanderer
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478 |
I haven't ventured into the forums for a month or so until tonight.
With a cautioning from Perff not to cause mayhem, I'm going to make a SINGLE post about both these matters and then leave the forum again.
I've no interest in turning either matter into a debate or opening up any lines of communication. I don't care who says what, or who thinks what about either matter. Add your two cents on if you feel compelled, but I am not coming back to debate any of this.
First : RE-CRACKING/TROLLING
I have received nothing but praise on Gamebase, Lemon64 and CSDB from other sceners who have thanked me for taking games that crashed or had bug issues and then fixing them. A few concerns here and there about bugs in a few of them, but for the most part some really good quality releases. I pride myself especially on Guerilla War which nobody had fixed to load the levels, Tit Bit with the bugged sprites, Under the Ground which crashed, and also Slug which was bugged right from the original. You couldn't even finish Slug until I patched it up.
One clueless person has suggested this is all being done to troll. Yet looking around I see nothing but positive encouragement from gamers who appreciate this work. Am I really trying to troll by making 100% versions of bugged games? Adding in high score savers, loading pics and doing documentations? That's an awful lot of work to do for a troll and giving a quality game at the same time :)
What's the issue? Re-cracking. To me that term means removing an intro, releasing something as your own. That's how it was used in the old days. Yet when I use someone elses crack, I *never* call it a crack. CSDB categorizes it as a crack but I put in my scroll-text who cracked it, who trained it and who level packed it. In cases where I have enough memory, I also throw on the cracker's original intro.
So you tell me this... if you load up a game such as Slug, you see my intro crediting Elite, you see Elite's intro, and you see a game that works 100% with a high score saver... can you find ANYTHING in there that constitutes a troll? Or are some people just clueless.
Sure, sometimes I don't put the crackers intro on the program but I mention who cracked it. And the reason I don't do it from an original is... *drum roll* I can't find the originals. If I can find one, I'll use it but more often than not, Gamebase carries only cracked versions in their bugged lists. Romreactor, tapes.c64.no and pokefinder don't offer up the originals I am looking for. In the case of Slug, I used Elite's version as they said they fixed up the original bugs and I wanted to use theirs.
In the end, I only care about one thing. A version that works up until the end of the game. If I can't do it from original, I'll use a cracked version and credit the group. I never pass it off as my own.
If you seriously think that this is somehow "trolling", you probably need to re-examine how you perceive things.
This isn't up for discussion. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
very related to this thread! thumbs up! |
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Wanderer
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 478 |
Second issue - MR. WAX
I wouldn't say that I "bombarded" anybody with emails. I wrote to former Chromance members (once each) asking about Mr. Wax. The most I ever sent was three emails to one of them. Jazzcat asked to be kept informed, so he was.
The story began as I wanted to know more about the accident. I wanted to know the details, it has always bothered me that nobody knew anything about it. I enjoyed talking to Balazs and always respected him. Details on his death were sketchy, so I began looking into the details of it.
After talking to one ex-Chromance member, I was told that Balazs's death was a hoax. I told Jazzcat about this and he suggested that I was trying to go back to my old "persona" and stir up trouble. Yet at the same time he told me he'd heard the same thing some months ago from others (they must have bad personas too).
Anyways after talking to this person in Chromance, he told me that Balaz's death was a hoax. It was done because Balazs was under investigation at the time and wanted to leave the scene.
Jazzcat sent me pictures of the crash, which I wanted to see. The pics had a link in the bottom right of the picture. That led me to the fire department webpage which routinely posts pics of morbid accidents in Hungary. I was able to click on the "home" link and go to the "archives" to find August 2004 pictures. There, I found the article that talked about the August 1, 2004 crash. It also linked to the SAME pics Jazzcat sent me, so it was the proper link.
The story talks about a 23 year old driver who died. Balazs was not 23. This corresponds with the ex-Chromance member who says that the pictures were taken from this website to help with the hoax. The Zala police were contacted (posing as a relative via translator)and they informed us that Balazs was not in that accident and the two passengers lived.
So far it was looking like the story of it being a hoax was true. Nobody to date has explained the 23-year-old driver issue to me.
I was put into contact with another Chromance member who insists that a handful of the group lied about the death, and were in on it. This supports everything I've heard.
I then contacted three major newspapers in Hungary. None of the archives had details on an accident with a Balazs Bernat.
I was told that after his "death" Balazs phoned an ex-CHR member to talk about what had happened. I can see no reason for him to lie about this. I can however see reason for people to lie and say he was dead.
Still I was not convinced what side to believe.
It was then that I was put into touch with a friend of Balazs', not the former Chromance member, but someone else. He sent me pictures of Balazs, clearly in his 30's, showing him in various travels. They were said to have been taken in 2005.
I was a little more convinced... but then the clincher came. I was told what website these pictures came from, and they clearly show an ACTIVE (logging in and posting, updating pictures) Mr. Wax.
So at this point based on what I have found out, and what DIDN'T happen at that accident site, and that a person from Hungary is posting recent pictures of Balazs, I am led to believe that he is alive.
Two people claiming to have talked to him, recent pictures, activity online, and evidence supporting it was a hoax...
Lastly, after speaking to this "person" via email, they knew details of our postal-mail exchange that likely only Balazs would have known.
The three of us (two Hungarians and myself) are convinced that this is him, not to mention the one claiming he has spoken to him. Until I see a newspaper clipping or gravemarker, I am going with the theory it was all a hoax.
As I write this I'm waiting for the second email to come back to me, to further talk to this "Mr. Wax"
I'm not saying it's him, I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying based on everything that has surfaced so far, there is more evidence pointing to him being alive (can't refute the accident webpage, the recent pictures or this person knowing things that we once talked about) than being dead.
I'm sure some people are upset, thinking this is about disrespecting the dead. To me, I find it hard to ignore the obvious - that new pictures have surfaced and that the accident webpage clearly proves Balazs was NOT in that car.
I'm not saying "believe me", I'm not saying "it's a lie".
I'm just telling you what I have found out. I'm not going to debate it, argue it or refute it. :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Okay, so even if you're right (and I'm not saying you are): why would you want to expose this 'hoax'? What is in it for you? If it's true what you say he really worked hard to fake his death and then hompidom, Wanderer comes along ruining everything just because he feels like it? You're not a journalist, the public doesn't need to know, nobody's a winner here .. |
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Honesty
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 121 |
Hey WDR:
Why not further investigate to the death of diana?
There could be earned sum money i am sure...
And this is maybe something where people are interested in.
When he isn´t dead, he would have his reasons to set this romours in the world.
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Dipswitch
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 42 |
wow great. if the hoax story is true, you're helping the fucking cops. great huh? i could very well understand if mrwax really would have faked his death. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Exactly what I wanted to say. Helping the cops indeed.
It does seem coincidental that Wanderer investigates this matter and then all of a sudden people start getting emails regarding Mr.Wax from a guy called "Chris".
--- oh, that's right, Chris is one of Wanderer's "friends".
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
perff, please close this thread. |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
Wanderer, you need some kinda help... Medical help that is.
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
if it's for your personal interest (it is mine either) why not calling up his mum? |
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Sebastian
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 2 |
Quote: Exactly what I wanted to say. Helping the cops indeed.
It does seem coincidental that Wanderer investigates this matter and then all of a sudden people start getting emails regarding Mr.Wax from a guy called "Chris".
--- oh, that's right, Chris is one of Wanderer's "friends".
But don't you think even the cops would be clever enough to find out everything by themselves one day (if this hoax story is actually true that is...)?
Well, I remember people even going to jail for software piracy and such stuff, they did not run away and chose the easy way instead of the hard way, but that's another story...
Anyway, on the one hand it's human nature not to leave puzzles unsolved, on the other hand however sometimes it's better to leave them unsolved... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
indeed. that would have been a pretty dumb police if they couldnt have figured that out, but someone like WDR can do it just by using google and a few emails :=) |
