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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
X2008 - Recorded Demos
I've been playing around with me ADVC again, and recorded Natural Wonders 2. Cheers you guys in Oxyron, great stuff and some great tunes! Special wink to Kasmo!
http://www.xentax.com/?page_id=192
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
why not make an avi or something. none of my players know that exotic format... .7z? wtf? ;) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Er...7z is an archive format. :P
http://www.7-zip.org/ Inside you will find the .avi file ;) |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: Er...7z is an archive format. :P
http://www.7-zip.org/ Inside you will find the .avi file ;)
Compressing a videofile: FAIL!
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Not if if will reduce the file size on my server. I prefer higher quality with a little compression on top of it, instead of reducing file size by limiting quality. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: Not if if will reduce the file size on my server. I prefer higher quality with a little compression on top of it, instead of reducing file size by limiting quality.
How much do you save by compressing it then?
Oh, why not upload it to www.capped.tv or www.demoscene.tv? Instant gratification for all. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
The vid is 115 mb, the archive 75, hence it saves me 40 Mb. I do this twice (on another demo), and I have room for a third demo etc.
I suppose I could upload it somewhere else, but I hate messy sites like YouTube. If the step to extract a file is too big to take for most, I'm game to upload them elsewhere. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
for me it'd not be about beeing able to extract it (and i personally like to use 7zip aswell =P) but to be able to stream avis instead of downloading them =) (that said, i pack the avis on our websites aswell - to prevent exactly that =D) |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 110 |
Just record Edge of Disgrace and you're the man ;) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Hehe, yes, I'm waiting for the release of Edge... |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
Argh, is there a way for Mac User to depack that file?? :(
Frank |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
there is, get the 7zip source, compile it, and there you go :) |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
haha.. Groepaz... thanx for the info, very easy.. grrr....
Frank |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: haha.. Groepaz... thanx for the info, very easy.. grrr....
Frank
Google is your friend. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
indeed. if you cant find the 7zip site, download the source and type "make" ... oh well. o_O |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Xenox:
- I posted a link to 7-Zip.
- Had you gone there, you would have noticed a link to a page called "Download", like, where you can download 7-Zip from.
- http://www.7-zip.org/download.html
- If you use your mouse to scroll down a bit it reads:
Some unofficial p7zip packages for Linux and other systems.
It has some Mac implementations of 7-Zip. As you would have expected from a Sourceforge project that has this functionality. ;) |
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Mr.Ammo
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Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Quote: indeed. if you cant find the 7zip site, download the source and type "make" ... oh well. o_O
Or try 'sudo port install p7zip' after you've installed macports (http://macports.org/).
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Mr.Ammo
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Registered: Oct 2002
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Quote: Or try 'sudo port install p7zip' after you've installed macports (http://macports.org/).
Or for the lazy ones, like me...
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ammo/demos/natural_wonders_2_oxyron_c64_d.. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Quote: Or for the lazy ones, like me...
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ammo/demos/natural_wonders_2_oxyron_c64_d..
Hehe :P |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
ok saw the avi finally (thnx ammo), and video quality is good, but dude, the sound sync is *way* off, even worse than with vice.... |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Hmm, I've checked the original recording and that was okay. Apparently the transition to DivX was not accurate. Ok, the sync in the DivX is off, but not waaay off, and only a bit at the end.
Let me go back to the original and see what went wrong in the process. I plan to record some more, so this better work (and the other demos seem to behave in sync). Keep you posted. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: ok saw the avi finally (thnx ammo), and video quality is good, but dude, the sound sync is *way* off, even worse than with vice....
yep, sync is not not good :-(
You can see/hear it clearly when the Oxyron letters zoom in and when the dragon-ball part is built up with the blue and purple screens bumping in.
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Indeed. Will fix. |
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anix
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Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 35 |
I made avi's of the winvice output mixed with the scenesat streams. googlevideo here..
#3 Pearls for Pigs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=705008408909730982
#2 Natural Wonders 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4543471730688692167
#1 Edge of Disgrace
...as soon as i have the d64
i don't have a great place to host the avi's, maybe i'll send to capped.tv |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
http://c64.xentax.com/media/demos/natural_wonders_2_oxyron_c64_..
Fixed. |
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Xenox
Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 87 |
Thanx for all the links and help, it's still working, nice demos, very nice demos... Superb!
Frank |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
And Pearls for Pigs added. http://www.xentax.com/?page_id=192 |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
Quote: I made avi's of the winvice output mixed with the scenesat streams. googlevideo here..
#3 Pearls for Pigs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=705008408909730982
#2 Natural Wonders 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4543471730688692167
#1 Edge of Disgrace
...as soon as i have the d64
i don't have a great place to host the avi's, maybe i'll send to capped.tv
Thanks for that, almost like being there :D awesome stuff :) |
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der_ton
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 11 |
The reason why the file compresses so suspiciously well is because you have RAW audio in there blowing up the filesize. Encoding to mp3 with a reasonable bitrate would reduce the filesize alot more than 7zip ever can, without noticable loss of quality imho. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Yes, you are probably right! I was wondering where this size came from, but have damn limited time these days to check this thoroughly. Nevertheless, I'll start compressing the audio better so I can upload the demos as AVI instead.
Thanks for that bump on my head. I needed that ;) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quote: http://c64.xentax.com/media/demos/natural_wonders_2_oxyron_c64_..
Fixed.
yep fixed indeed ;) just checked it out. good job meneer muis |
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anix
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Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 35 |
More "live" recordings...
#4 Amplifire
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2074189245688503047
#1 Edge of Disgrace
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4387496359091532951
enjoy! |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
anix,
that is a wonderful idea.
What about re-recording it with pal-emulation at high res and send someone as AVI who could host? :)) |
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anix
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Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 35 |
@enthusi
winvice 2.0, when i have the recorder on and try to use the doublesize+pal, it crashes. at least on this machine. i don't think the extra "quality" would matter, the real magic is in the ambiance of the crowd, and the scenesat guys managed an excellent quality recording of the hardware sid. since it's just 1:1 size, i didn't bother with the pal emulation because you get duller colors without the real benefit of the line renderer.
AVI's are comming up, i'm getting three torrent seeding on three hosts before i give out the .torrent.
i'm thinking about doing the same thing for a few other demos which had live-video, and cutting out the audio and making similar avi's. off the top of my head i know that the floppy 04 entries could be done, krill's 4k from BP, desert dream...
anyone know others that have available live sound?
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anix
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 35 |
.torrent url is on the csdb mainpage. i didn't bother with a tracker - i can keep a couple seeds up for a few weeks and maybe someone can put the files in a better place if they like. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Great job, anix!
And thanks, Burglar ;) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
And Edge of Disgrace added. There is some strange sync problem in the beginning,that goes away. Will fix......
http://c64.xentax.com/media/demos/edge_of_disgrace_boozedesign_..
http://www.xentax.com/?page_id=192 |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Just a little background info on the process I use.
Hardware set up:
* Commodore 64 (any required sid)
* C64 DIN->SVideo Cable
* Canopus ADVC110 (analog to digital converter)
* ADVC110 Firewire Output --> PC
* Composite output from ADVC110 --> 1084s-D1 Commodore Monitor
Software:
* Ulead or Pinnacle Studio - to capture PAL signal
* AviSynth - to fix the interlacing problem of the C64 PAL signal (convert to 50 fps frame-based), and to crop only the C64 visible screen resolution (including sideborders)
* VirtualDub - To process the raw AviSyth scripted video, separate audio for syncing, merge with synced audio, compress to DivX format
* Cool Edit Pro - To align the out-of-sync audio with an audio sample that was in sync (using ADVC110's audio lock setting).
The ADVC110 has audio lock that will force the audio to align neatly with the video. This may be great for movies, but sucks if you record music. The process causes small gaps to appear in the audio signal, very subtle, but you hear them nonetheless. This ruins the experience of any good SID tune, and being a SID musician myself, this is out of the question.
So I record each demo twice, one with the ADVC110 audio lock on and one with it off. This way I have an aligned audio signal and one that is not, but is at least a perfect recording.
Cool Edit Pro has a er.. cool...option to stretch an audio sample without harming the pitch. To align an out of sync signal with a demo video it takes only a stretching of 0.5-2 seconds depending on the length of the demo. This works surprisingly well, in Cool Edit's multitrack mode the result is immediately visible and I can check whether the new sample aligns with the audio-locked one.
I then replace the audio-locked one with the new one using VirtualDub and done. ;) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Bah, another reason to host these AVI's ourselves is instant upload. I've already fixed that small sync issue with EoD and uploaded the new, higher quality AVI to demoscene.tv, but it still has not been posted there by DTV, much to my impatience.
You Tube has limited the duration of footage to 10 minutes, so Edge of Disgrace in one go would not be possible and it sucks to have to cut it.
Perhaps google video is faster. Will check tonight. Cause I have much more to record. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
Google video encodes the video far better and in stereo (although SID is in mono) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Thanks for the info on google video ! |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-2781205555604522762&hl=..
The result is disappointing. I uploaded a high quality recording. The processed video by Google has much lower quality.... |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Excellent! Demoscene.tv it is! :) Thanks for the tip, Scout. |
