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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
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Stop un-deleting my file!
Whoever it is (I can guess) who keeps undeleting my Bitmash.exe, please stop being purposefully irritating and leave it alone.
It's NOT a c64 release, it's NOT a scene release, it's a PC exe of something I thought someone might eventually find useful but after the constant irritating requests for source (I'm not 6, asking once is enough) I decided to delete it until I'd done a more complete version.
Seems kind of idiotic to have a delete option to then only ignore a persons wishes to have THEIR file removed. If you're going to insist on putting it back again at least a) Give me a good reason (and no, it's for history bullshit isn't a good one) and b) remove all the bullshit comments from it.
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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CSDb isn't your release site either. If YOU add stuff to CSDb means that YOU want it archived. Once added here (and it's relevant to C64 scene, and a cross tool that uses/creates C64 usable files IS relevant) it's already part of the scene history, like it or not. Deleting the first version of a program to replace it later with a new one is wrong, what you are going to do it's called history revisionism. Use your own site if you want to release stuff you don't feel it's needed on CSDb, so you can change whatever you want, but also expect someone else adding it here when it's found (happened to some of my shit I keep on my site too) |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
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Sorry iAN, but I could not find a legal disclaimer where people signing up to CSDb waive their right to files uploaded (copyright) if they are their own. So if anyone would want to delete their stuff and tell CSDb not to up it again, they could and should be able to do so. Scene history shmistory. If someone has a reason (which can be whatever really) to not have their stuff on this site they should be able to do so.
Why have a delete function to begin with if this was not the case? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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You have to state a reason to delete files, and I bet the file was undeleted because the reason wasn't considered acceptable. Deleting version 1.0 to replace it with version 1.1 isn't valid. If you don't understand this, better not add your stuff to csdb. |
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JCB
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I uploaded the file for other people NOT to have it archived, I'm perfectly capable of archiving my own files thx. I've had no feedback saying anyone found it useful and only people repeatedly asking for source code. I explained on the release page I'd upload source when I was ready to but that doesn't seem good enough. It's my decision as it's my decision to delete my own file. Ptoing is right, there's no rule saying files will always be undeleted and that I somehow lose my rights to my own code when I upload it here. For C64 releases I can see the point, to have as full a history as possible but for a simple PC exe there's no point and I only see it as someone being petty that it's been put back so many times.
As for the reason for deleting the file. I gave good reason the 1st time, then it came back, so I deleted it again, now I'm on about the 4th deletion.
As I've said, I'm happy to let it stay IF ALL the comments are removed. They're off topic and argumentative and don't need to be there. When/if I release an enhanced version (with or without source) I'll be sure to do so elsewhere but presuming it's ok to add it here without my permission is entirely wrong.
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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"I uploaded the file for other people NOT to have it archived"
then use megaupload and don't mess with csdb, kthx
Also you can't do anything about comments, if you can't stand people commenting entries better leave csdb for good. |
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JCB
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As I've said, leave it deleted and I'll upload somewhere else in future. I didn't realise this site suddenly got ownership of my code because I uploaded it in the hopes someone might find it useful. I could care less about csdb and if my stuff is on here or not.
And yes, according to the site rules offtopic/trolling posts SHOULD be deleted from release pages. I know most of the mods can't be bothered policing that stuff but as far as I'm concerned if someone asks for source and I politely ask them to wait until I'm ready to upload it, they should have the decency to wait and not harass me for it when it's likely they don't really want it and have no use for it. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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There are rules and they apply to everyone.
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/help.php?section=rules
7.9: [...] so if you choose csdb as your release platform better doublecheck that what you upload is actually what you want to release. in tribute to the "old school" retroactive "unreleasing" will not be tolerated. |
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JCB
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But it's not a scene release. It's not a c64 file. If the mods decided they didn't like it you can guarantee it'd be gone and never allowed back like when Ste tried to upload some C64 sprites in gif format but because someone wants to be an arse my file has to stay.
The whole of that 7.X section talks about C64 files only. There's no mention of PC specific files. Also read section 8. Which Releases belong into the Database.. The Other platform tool section isn't covered anywhere and as such shouldn't really have the same rules apply, it's coders giving stuff TO the scene for sceners use, not to have their control of it suddenly removed. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Why cant you make senseful exceptions of the rules, instead of generating csdb drama? |
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JCB
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Well if there was some kind of consistency to the enforcement of the rules it'd all be fine. As it is trolls are left unchecked when if they want to go off topic they should just hit the "discuss this release" button, stuff is deleted JUST because mods don't actually know if they're valid or not and are only guessing. Stuff is undeleted for no reason (why have a delete option in the 1st place?) etc etc I've asked for one of two not unreasonable things. Either leave it deleted or remove the comments. As it is Mr SID himself (who kept insisting on me uploading source) told me that the file shouldn't be there if I wasn't going to release source for it, I'm just trying to follow peoples wishes.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
<Post edited by chatGPZ on 18/9-2010 17:25>
this is silly really.
that file was released. that file is a scene release (if it wasnt, it would have been deleted right away in the first place). csdb archives scene releases. end of story.
and no, people asking for source are not trolling.
and that copyright nonsense, yeah. the scene cares about that, like back in 1985 !!!!
Quote:Either leave it deleted or remove the comments.
comments are never a reason for an entry beeing removed. we have, and will, restore entries which are getting deleted just to get rid of some comments. and you cant demand to get comments removed which are pretty much to the point like in this entry either.
and as to why there is a delete function: to remove entries which are invalid, or dupes. there hardly is another reason to delete an entry, ever.
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JCB
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It IS trolling when someone asks for source, gets a perfectly reasonable reply, asks again, gets another reply, asks again and again etc. Only deleting the release stopped it. In your opinion it's a scene release, in mine it's not and I'm the one who uploaded it to a section where non "c64" stuff seems to go.
Maybe I made a mistake uploading it here but at least stop being an idiot for once and leave it deleted OR delete the pointless comments and when I've finished the next version I'll upload it WITH source and that'll solve all the problems. It seems you guys will go out of your way to avoid doing anything anyone asks just to show you can do things your way..
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The comments on that entry are NOT "to the point" unless you class repeating of a request for source (NOT a requirement) when an explanation of WHEN source will be uploaded (my choice) to be sensible comments? |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1647 |
Cut it.. No one forces you to reply to messages/comments that you feel are unreasonable. I can see that you are irritated, but.. just leave the whole issue alone and it will not be an issue anymore. |
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
Quote: You have to state a reason to delete files, and I bet the file was undeleted because the reason wasn't considered acceptable. Deleting version 1.0 to replace it with version 1.1 isn't valid. If you don't understand this, better not add your stuff to csdb.
What good is "better not add your stuff to csdb" gonna do if you can expect others to upload it instead? Would it be deleted on request then? |
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Marauder/GSS
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Quoting JCB... As it is Mr SID himself (who kept insisting on me uploading source) told me that the file shouldn't be there if I wasn't going to release source for it...
I see no reason for uploading source-codes if you don't like to... there are no rules that you've to include source-codes for cross-platform tools, or am I wrong?!
Insisting for source-codes is the same shit like demanding the tools for other OS... if the author releases stuff just for one specific OS or don't want to include sources, then stick with it... be happy you got a new tool!
So just ignore those comments Pete...
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JCB
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I don't actually mind A (singular) request for source or even a build for another platform (presuming it's a simple thing to do as in this case, a single file C commandline thing) but in this case the requests kind of got ridiculous so I deleted the release to save me (or anyone else) having to read it any more. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1927 |
Damn - could someone please undelete the release in question? I want to comment again.
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 97 |
WOW!! I guess I can understand WHY they call it "The MEAN Team!" :-)
First STE and now this :-P
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:What good is "better not add your stuff to csdb" gonna do if you can expect others to upload it instead? Would it be deleted on request then?
no it wouldnt. like i said above, there hardly is a valid reason to delete an entry, except it is invalid, broken, dupe or sth like this.
Quote:I see no reason for uploading source-codes if you don't like to... there are no rules that you've to include source-codes for cross-platform tools, or am I wrong?!
no, ofcourse there are not
Quote:Insisting for source-codes is the same shit like demanding the tools for other OS... if the author releases stuff just for one specific OS or don't want to include sources, then stick with it... be happy you got a new tool!
So just ignore those comments Pete...
yep, indeed. also get used to people commenting your releases like they feel like, often not the way you want it to be.
Quote:could someone please undelete the release in question?
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JCB
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Quote: WOW!! I guess I can understand WHY they call it "The MEAN Team!" :-)
First STE and now this :-P
Probably just that everyone else has got used to the way things work round here or just gave up arguing about it a long time ago ;) |
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MC
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CSDb should stick to official releases by sceners only or it will become a bullshit database. Nothing and nobody is helped by keeping a bugged working copy of every attempt to a release.
JCB on the other hand should not have uploaded and think twice the next time. CSDb is not a means of distribution, its an archive.
Next thread please. ;)
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1927 |
Hah, we can pick up right there and start to argue wether a basic loader by french school kids to an ABC release is a scene release as well. Here the fraction of people should jump in yelling "all c64 related material not commercially published is scene!". And thats why not even cnet tool crap gets deleted but receives a /b/amount of comments... :)
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
I think people are misunderstanding (again). It's not the file being here I have a problem with else I wouldn't have uploaded it. Unfortunately there's no other way to remove all the crap than delete the file too. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
CSDB drama is not enough alone. We need to pouetize this thread!!!
My first attempt;
@JCB: Everytime you delete a CSDB product, god kills a kitten.
Lets get serious now. If it's a popular PC tool like Timanthes, Project One, Goat Tracker etc. of course older versions matters but who cares about an unpopular PC tool? Let the guy delete his entry. He already told us he'd add a newer version soon, right? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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Oh my god, the history revisionism fundamentalists are at it again. Hear their battle yell "WHERE - TO - DRAW - THE - LINE???". |
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 97 |
Here I will dive on JCB's side real quick and show how PERSONAL opinion gets involved with management around here.
I have a totally dumb question: (hehe)
Why is it that when Wanderer deleted HIS files, SPECIFICALLY "Old Skool" this stayed deleted?
Now JCB deletes his file 3 or 4 times and MAGICALLY it appears back on here? Looks like the RULE everyone is babbling about is SERIOUSLY broken???
Or better yet MANAGEMENT is broken around here? I don't care much because I always looked at it as once it's up here, IT'S UP HERE.
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Jon
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Wanderer's deletion tantrum did not stay deleted.
No magic involved.
So yes... once it's up here, it's up here. Thank God.
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
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Quote: Wanderer's deletion tantrum did not stay deleted.
No magic involved.
So yes... once it's up here, it's up here. Thank God.
J
Some where on here is a thread that has it in there. The demo (which I had a page in it, that's the reason I know) Old Skool WAS deleted and NEVER undeleted? And to top it off he boasted about it IN a thread here? Yup yup might as well blow this thread up :-)
Search threads its in there, I'm too lazy.
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Jon
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Then repost it. Wanderer tried to burn this place down when he left. Most of it was undeleted. If your little pet demo or whatever flew under the radar, fix it and lock it.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:The demo (which I had a page in it, that's the reason I know) Old Skool WAS deleted and NEVER undeleted?
if thats really the case, then it should be found and undeleted aswell. (however, from a quick look, i cant find any such entry).
we actually undeleted a LOT of stuff after mr wanderer went berzerk, could be we missed some :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting PeteProbably just that everyone else has got used to the way things work round here or just gave up arguing about it a long time ago ;) Thats what we keep trying to tell you :-D
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 97 |
Quoting NinjasbaneThen repost it. Wanderer tried to burn this place down when he left. Most of it was undeleted. If your little pet demo or whatever flew under the radar, fix it and lock it.
J
But see THAT'S the point I am making? If someone POSTS about deleting a entry and it goes WITHOUT being UNDELETED then you don't think there is a issue with the rules?
Quoting Groepazif thats really the case, then it should be found and undeleted aswell. (however, from a quick look, i cant find any such entry).
we actually undeleted a LOT of stuff after mr wanderer went berzerk, could be we missed some :)
This was the first release of like 2008 or something? New Years demo, it shouldn't be too hard to find?
Again let me make it clear I really don't give a shit about it at all. Cause I would have easily uploaded it, but due to the NATURE of this guy I just felt it left to be dead!
I was just pointing out that MAYBE there is an issue here? Nothing more, not trying to rattle anyone at all. I just noticed over the years that a good amount of users DO complain and get frustrated because there email's are not responded to so BAM a new thread opens with complaints?
But it is what it is to me like I said once it's up here I say it's CSDB's PERIOD.
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