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Magnar
Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 60 |
Votes for Inspiration
Well, where do I go to find inspiration?
The answer is mostly to CSDB (or Youtube).
So, lets see... Magnar Harestad
To be honest, how should I get inspired by only 15 people voted on my music skills? I mean, does not any else care about my music released in demos as Wonderland XI, We Are New, Lash, Sidelined etc?
If only 15 people has taken the time to vote, then why should I put efforts in composing new sid tracks for new demos? Is it really worth it?
I would rather have a 1000's giving me a score of 1, than 15x give me a average score of around 8. At least in the first example, I would know I sucked at composing. :)
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SLC
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 52 |
I wouldn't really put too much into csdb votes. A lot of people (myself included) finds the voting system completely unnecessary and would rather see it gone.
If you look at the download count, you will get a good idea of how many who watches the demo and therefore listens to your music. If you want a more direct feedback, the best way would be to compete in any music competitions that accepts C64 entries, but even that should typically be taken with a grain of salt. Just my two cents :) |
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Yogibear
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 223 |
You have another 8!
I like your Tron Legacy Remix and some of the Wonderland XI stuff.
I think you're technically really good but sometimes I miss the nice melodies or chords changes.
Maybe that has to do with my taste: melodic music.
I hope you continue making SIDs!
BTW. Could you tell me everything about your (ex-)group "The Pornos"? :) |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
Quoting MagnarWell, where do I go to find inspiration? To be honest, how should I get inspired by only 15 people voted on my music skills?
here's an idea: don't judge your work or justify why you should or shouldn't write music based on the small amount of votes on a database.
Quoting Magnar If only 15 people has taken the time to vote, then why should I put efforts in composing new sid tracks for new demos? Is it really worth it?
CSDb votes don't mean anything and shouldn't be relied upon as an idicator for how good your skills are.
Quoting Magnar I would rather have a 1000's giving me a score of 1, than 15x give me a average score of around 8. At least in the first example, I would know I sucked at composing. :) that's just silly. don't rely on votes to tell you who you are or what you can do. they mean nothing at the end of the day. do it for the love of it, not for some silly votes or 'reputation' or whatever on some website then try and justify your entire scene existance based on what 'someone else likes'. it's just silly and a total waste of your time. peace. :D |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462 |
i do believe that if you search for popularity or massive feedback, this is not a good place to start. there's only a handful of us here, and you can't expect everyone to get involved enough to cast a vote. do what you can, be happy with what you've done and what you're getting, or you'll end up pretty much frustrated. i suspect this may apply to other areas of creativity and publishing as well ;) |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
I never do scene stuff for other's pleasure (if they like it, it is their fault :-P), but for my own satisfaction only. Thus i don't care about the opinion of others or the amount and result of votes. I simply touch stuff that promises to be fun for me. That is why i recently even did a sid, and be sure, in opposite to you i suck at it :-) Also take a look at many popular sceners, there's not much votes for their functions as well. So if you really are into feedback, better focus on personal feedback, like via PM or at a chat at some party. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
yep, what faker said. if you are doing it for the votes, you are doing it wrong. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Quote: yep, what faker said. if you are doing it for the votes, you are doing it wrong.
+1 (i like most of your stuff Magnar!) |
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Magnar
Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 60 |
It's not that I think csdb votes are the truth.
It's not that I think what people votes matter.
But people being involved matters. If I don't get any real feedback, why continue?
Because, even if I enjoy doing it - I realize it consume so much of my little spare time left after kids are put to bed and wife smiles happy.
Therefore, I am right now in a "down" period where I would actually like to see some more feedbacks. Be it votes, or comments like here in this thread, or comments on the productions.
Bottomline is that if we have 50 000 views on youtube on a demo, then I am pretty happy with that. But if none gives comments on the music, then I am not so happy.
It is about feedback. If none, then inspiration to continue making SIDs will die. Time would be better of doing something else.
I know I am not as good a musician as many other SID wizards out there. I am a average composer for sure. It's not that I aim to get the high votes. But connecting and feedback is important, where people actually taking time to vote provide more inspiration to do better and improve.
Or - Maybe I was just very drunk yesterday... |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
This whole thread reads more like "Inspiration for Votes" :)
Votes matter only as much as you allow them to matter to you.
My vote 10 is older (though maybe not a great deal) than this thread, but imho(!) well-deserved, after I went through parts of your HVSC folder.
Read through the comments on the DOTY entry, so many people praising such a first of all visually rather spectacular release explicitly for the as well excellent music must be enough positive feedback to motivate you. |
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metalux
Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 17 |
Quote: It's not that I think csdb votes are the truth.
It's not that I think what people votes matter.
But people being involved matters. If I don't get any real feedback, why continue?
Because, even if I enjoy doing it - I realize it consume so much of my little spare time left after kids are put to bed and wife smiles happy.
Therefore, I am right now in a "down" period where I would actually like to see some more feedbacks. Be it votes, or comments like here in this thread, or comments on the productions.
Bottomline is that if we have 50 000 views on youtube on a demo, then I am pretty happy with that. But if none gives comments on the music, then I am not so happy.
It is about feedback. If none, then inspiration to continue making SIDs will die. Time would be better of doing something else.
I know I am not as good a musician as many other SID wizards out there. I am a average composer for sure. It's not that I aim to get the high votes. But connecting and feedback is important, where people actually taking time to vote provide more inspiration to do better and improve.
Or - Maybe I was just very drunk yesterday...
Hey Magnar. I gave you feedback that I loved that SID :) for what it's worth :)
I had it on repeat in my car stereo from and to work. |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
MAgnar, you are doing the same mistake that i was doing for many years.
brought up, self taught on c64, making music, to believe its to be the best composer, become rob hubbard, then become galway, then becoem jeroen tel, to get same level of fame and recognition as masters of the sid.
Magnar, its a mistake.
Every single sid you have created is a masterpiece Magnar!
Every single sid i have created is a Masterpiece Magnar!
I do music to do my best and try new things.
Youre on the wrong way magnar, just do your best, do your dreams.
forget the votes.
forget to become someone, you can only become yourself.
did you know i am voted #4 of all ?
who know in what mag and when this happened ?
my votes certainly doint show this Magnar.
music is personaly taste Magnar, it dont matter you make a mozart perfec tune, people who dont like mozart, wont like your music!
Just make inner dreams true, votes are useless because of too less of them.
if votes shall ever work, all members of csdb shall be forced 2 times pr year to cast votes on everything, and if they dont, they get inactive account and cannot longin.
its the only way that things get "graded".
and i belive its a good idea.
Groepaz - ? it is a good idea. do that, then we get people to vote.
Magnar, yo umade shitty tunes like shit, and you made very good, and also masterpieces, what i hear from you, is that you are not centered and dont have develped a personaly style to the point where you just shine like your inner self.
you cannot do this, as long you hunt fame, and to "make something like jeroen tel".
Magnar..
You can never become Jeroen Tel!
you Can only become yourself.
and if copy Jeroen Tel, then what are you ?
Wake up Magnar, you have the talent.
just be yourself. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
and MAgnar, Jeroen Tel is very math, and not to downgrade JT in any way, but basicly what jeroen does him to be jeroen, is he is master of shifting scales all the time.
JT play a scale, shift to another, back and forth, around in 3-5 scales. and he is master at this since he did it always.
this is his trademark.
find your own trademark Magnar.
learning scales, and train to swith them... then its one step closer to be JT..
Just follo winner dreams of self realization.
brilliant demos are here on csdb that are fvery simple programmed, but are pure genious demos anyway. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
if you want to be really many levels better than you think you are, then take real music lessons, learn to play a real piano.
then it all becomes easy.
"selftaught, i wil master the c64, never take lessons, i am selftaught and therefore the best!"
an illusion...
there is always a master, to learn from.
find him.
and be sure to know, just as might have occurred in your educations whatever they are: at some point, the apprentice can beat his master.
but its not about beating people...
that the mistake all we 15 year old selftaught guys did.
we think we could become gods.
its time to grow up and jump to level 2 magnar. :)
its all inside you, just open up to let it come out! |
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celticdesign
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 149 |
well, there are plenty of marvelous tracks with far to less votes and lack of comments. recently i get my inspiration exactly out of this. i try to become better for more attention ;-)... oh and i regret that i stopped my music activities for that long period (around FOCKING 20 YEARS!). i hope i don't fall asleep again. at least do it for fun and your own. i am looking forward to listen to your new sids and keep on the good work! |
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DRAX
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225 |
I follow you in a way, Magnar. I myself have always wondered why I am the musician that have gotten the most number of votes... What does that mean??? But what I extract from your comment is that people should be more active in having an opinion and that you care about feedback - just as I do... |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
Well, it is the usual phenomenon. Some people are hyped and others that might even be way better but less wellknown get lost in the big mass of productions. It is like with modern music, there's the hitlists with the stuff to please the masses and there's fecking cool shit from pretty unknown people hidden under that pile of that you only notice when you dig after it. As the ration of dumb:intelligent is around 99:1 it is obvious that the genius stuff gets way less attention :-) |
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Stone
Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 172 |
@Magnar: After we released Another Beginning which had a lot of new Prosonix tunes in it, Ole wanted feedback on his tunes, so we released both his and mine as standalone music demos and got a lot of feedback that way. A lot more constructive and motivational than some arbitrary number from anonymous voters, I think. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
Quote:Some people are hyped and others that might even be way better but less wellknown get lost in the big mass of productions.
at this point everyone must vote for mr. Kjell Nordbo (RIP) |
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DRAX
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225 |
Stein: yeah, it's a good idea to release the tunes separately... The number of votes, and how good the composer is has nothing to do with each other and besides that I don't think it has to do with being hyped only... I still think people should care more about giving feedback, so I will start by trying to better at it myself... and not just being a lazy fuck ;) |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: Quote:Some people are hyped and others that might even be way better but less wellknown get lost in the big mass of productions.
at this point everyone must vote for mr. Kjell Nordbo (RIP)
Well said, man. What Kjell created is unmatched and is something that no one else will be able to re-create.
on-topic:
My full respect flies to everyone, hyped or not so much hyped. I can hear much value and great attitude in all of your SIDs even if most of them are not really my style. But whatever competent you are you can't tell peope what to prefer and what not and that's allright. That's life. As long as you have joy in creation, why the heck do you care about vote and rating hubble bubble? It's SID, one of the few little spots of the world that is not f'd up, where you are free and don't have to please anyone just do stuff as your instinct tells. Sure there will be negative ears as well, so what? It is not F'n pussy porn pop music but under-underground stuff. Fine stuff of that.
On my part I've been doing my own things in the much more hostile underground metal scene (with comments like, 'you fuckin must be executed for that' and so on - pathetic...) for over two decades and never listened to any critics. That's why I'm still doing it happily I guess while most of the critics live full of conformity and left music scene ages ago. So whenever I hear anything like 'you should do this or that' or 'you should improve and change this or that' I say thanks for the feedback, otherwise you must be f'n kidding man. Listening to moaners is dangerous as they make you compromise and your music will be f'd up. Some tell truth and give super valuable info but you must be confident in your style and know yourself well to handle this well.
The much more dangerous thing is to take diehard fans seriously. It makes you overconfident and overfed, you lose your own control over your own quality standards, lose direction, burn out and start to produce crap. So, 1 constructive negative comment for 1000 likes, man! Or 1000 negatives for 1000 positives any time as at least they keep you angry and hungry for creation.
If people are moaning too much about someting that you like during creation, next time try to overdo it 50 times more to push down in the throats then watch the effect. Most will like it more. Anyway, it is much more fun to see pro and con people fighting over your stuff than reading opppa-suppa-duppa comments all the time. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
"(with comments like, 'you fuckin must be executed for that' and so on - pathetic...)"
hahaha. many years ago we sent a tape to local newspaper.... their review sounded like what you said =D -> http://hitmen.c02.at/temp/Emerisers_-_first_Recordings_-_01_-_t.. =D |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Newspaper folks had no clue about authentic punk style, man :) Thanks for the story and the track! |
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Wisdom
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 90 |
Quoting MagnarIt is about feedback. If none, then inspiration to continue making SIDs will die. Time would be better of doing something else.
This is plain bullshit.
Whether there is feedback or not, making SIDs should always be for making SIDs. I do it just for the love of doing it on SID, not to please somebody else or to receive feedback.
Sure, it is beautiful if somebody likes it and then makes a favour to give some feedback. But even if it would not be there, I would do SIDs as long as I live. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote:hahaha. many years ago we sent a tape to local newspaper.... their review sounded like what you said =D
... and rightly so! ;)
Seriously, been looping the track for a couple of times now :) |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
i make music out of joy, cant resist. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
Quote:Seriously, been looping the track for a couple of times now :)
you are a brave man, try this then (we did not send this to any newspapers for some reason =P) worth noting from the newspaper demo: this and that (sorry german... ehrm.... "lyrics" =D)
Quote:i make music out of joy, cant resist.
same here =) most of the time i can resist releasing it though. or even playing it without headphones =) |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
@Groepaz: ..sort of brave of you to share this with us.. If i should say something positive, the extreme compression ration gives it all a certain touch.. :).
Now.. should i also dump my old demo tapes from my trash-metal band here!? I see a flood coming, and it actually feels quite out of topic of this whole site. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: Quote:Seriously, been looping the track for a couple of times now :)
you are a brave man, try this then (we did not send this to any newspapers for some reason =P) worth noting from the newspaper demo: this and that (sorry german... ehrm.... "lyrics" =D)
Quote:i make music out of joy, cant resist.
same here =) most of the time i can resist releasing it though. or even playing it without headphones =)
In the punk style context, all the tracks have their charm I think :)
Not for the masses for sure but you know what? I find more life and natural anger in raw stuff than overproduced barbie crap. Also it doesn't mean that I'm a fun of the stlye. I used to be, because of the rawness, 20 or so years ago. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: @Groepaz: ..sort of brave of you to share this with us.. If i should say something positive, the extreme compression ration gives it all a certain touch.. :).
Now.. should i also dump my old demo tapes from my trash-metal band here!? I see a flood coming, and it actually feels quite out of topic of this whole site.
Good thought but you're right, it may not fit the content of this site. But an another thread, maybe?
All my sincere condolences go for the feelings of Magnar because of the stoopid pointless voting thing as I know it may seriously hurt some folks and some downvoting MFs enjoy it too much perhaps, but listening these old demos is the only thing that has some meaning in this thread really :)
Not to mention Oswald's girly pic. I'm still missing a funny cat. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
Quote:@Groepaz: ..sort of brave of you to share this with us.. If i should say something positive, the extreme compression ration gives it all a certain touch.. :).
haha. i've posted that crap before, even here i think :) no more brave than uploading crappy intros from the same era i think =P |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: Quote:@Groepaz: ..sort of brave of you to share this with us.. If i should say something positive, the extreme compression ration gives it all a certain touch.. :).
haha. i've posted that crap before, even here i think :) no more brave than uploading crappy intros from the same era i think =P
+1 :D |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: Quoting MagnarIt is about feedback. If none, then inspiration to continue making SIDs will die. Time would be better of doing something else.
This is plain bullshit.
Whether there is feedback or not, making SIDs should always be for making SIDs. I do it just for the love of doing it on SID, not to please somebody else or to receive feedback.
Sure, it is beautiful if somebody likes it and then makes a favour to give some feedback. But even if it would not be there, I would do SIDs as long as I live.
Again, I can't agree more! Respect man. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
Quote:Now.. should i also dump my old demo tapes from my trash-metal band here!? I see a flood coming, and it actually feels quite out of topic of this whole site.
apropos, you should post them! how could they be out of topic in a thread craving for inspiration? =) (and censor needs more metal, where is the eddie damnit =D) |
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redcrab
Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 33 |
@magnar: In many cases (in the real world) people are given more and more positive feedback and horrays up to the point when people think youre getting tired of hearing it or already know.. All of a sudden silence can be the proof youre good or at least reach up to the expectations of what you do. I have been there many times myself in different contexts and never really get used to it :) |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
Quote: I never do scene stuff for other's pleasure (if they like it, it is their fault :-P), but for my own satisfaction only. Thus i don't care about the opinion of others or the amount and result of votes. I simply touch stuff that promises to be fun for me. That is why i recently even did a sid, and be sure, in opposite to you i suck at it :-) Also take a look at many popular sceners, there's not much votes for their functions as well. So if you really are into feedback, better focus on personal feedback, like via PM or at a chat at some party.
Well written there. |
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Magnar
Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 60 |
Quote: Quoting MagnarIt is about feedback. If none, then inspiration to continue making SIDs will die. Time would be better of doing something else.
This is plain bullshit.
Whether there is feedback or not, making SIDs should always be for making SIDs. I do it just for the love of doing it on SID, not to please somebody else or to receive feedback.
Sure, it is beautiful if somebody likes it and then makes a favour to give some feedback. But even if it would not be there, I would do SIDs as long as I live.
Maybe this is just me, but we certainly ain't on the same level on this.
The reason why I create SIDs are to enhance demo productions with sfx/music in order to make the visuals grow and flow better.
If given the choice of making a SID tune compare to Cubase MP3 tune, I would do the MP3. That's just me. I guess that is also the reason why I left C64 back in 1990 for Amiga and released most of my music on the Amiga.
Of course, I also do Music sometimes just for plain fun. Mostly when I do that I play real instruments like piano, guitar or drums. But honestly, most of my music I do to fit a purpose - not just because I have lots of spare time and decides to "love doing SID" so I sit down and spend my valuable spare time on doing just SIDs for the rest of my Life. - Unless it serves it purpose, and continously feedbacks are giving me new reasons to continue supporting new projects.
I am totally respecting your choices, but they are really far off from mine.
Edit:
I must say that the best feedback I've ever experienced is visiting and talking to people at different parties like LCP, Datastorm, X, Gubbdata etc.
Lets meet out in reality instead. Cheers! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
make compo tunes then - there is nothing like a cheering crowd live at the party :) |
