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2002-11-05 10:00

zyruz
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C*Base like webbs

Hi mates,

you probably have heard of the web-bbs, me,Jazzcat,Uzzy,Jucke,Macx and Taper is working on.. Now, we somehow got a major problem.

while Jazzcat,Macx,Jucke and Taper wants to have a real C*Base Emulation, including Key Events (means no mouse clicks etc) and stuff, wich means that we have to use Javascript, me and Uzzy will keep the board core PHP without any Javascript, just like Spankerz Heaven was (yep: i know it was made in Perl.. ).

So i'd like to knnow, what counts more.. having a real c*base clone with almost allfunktion, wich probably will have serious Browser and Os problems since it is build with Javascript/PHP, or just the way like SH used to be.. just with heaps of c/g graphics and mouse-click ;).

i'd like to know what you think! ..

my humble opinion is, that i dislike the idea of making a almost 100% clone emulation of a c64 c*base bbs ... and i couldn't believe that it also will emulate the feelings, you once has got, when you called a c-64 BBS... but anyway, i am open for everthing.

my 2Eurocent.

(M)

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2002-11-05 22:17

Jucke

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 34

Everything today is so effective, especially when it comes to computer communication, and on our way there we lost alot of the soul. Where did the SOUL go? Didnt we forget something important along the way? I believe we need to rewind a bit to be able to go further. What I lack today in this cold Networld is a place with a personal atmosphere. A feeling of exclusiveness, privacy. Ten years ago i would call a telephone number in Brooklyn NY and end up in Sorceress home in her board Mystic Cavern. It gave me the feeling of actually being someplace. (and it became so real Antichrist is still lost in that cavern;) What im trying to say is that all great c64 boards were visionary places where every little detail was created to bring out a certain impression or atmosphere. All in one creating a FEEL.

A emulation of a c64 bbs system properly shaped by board regulars and sysops would convince any c64 scener and make them want to be there. Including myself. This is important stuff and must be done the right way. There is no room for compromise anymore.

Now, if I wanted to connect to a c64 board it would feel very stupid and lame to use a Joystick, right? A keyboard would be the natural choice. I dont know about you guys, but in my world a mouse is good for drawing, but not for communicating.

just my latenite round of views..

2002-11-05 22:41

RaveGuru

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 41

Stiff HTML links, boring HTML forms, JPG graphics, Point, Click. It all stinks to me. I'm 101% for a BBS that looks, feels and smells like a BBS. I once made a full fledged C64 terminal proggy for PC (never got released for some reasons) and I know I can do something similar again. Please persue me! :)

2002-11-05 22:43

RaveGuru

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 41

PS. Yes, I even reverse-engineered the good ole' Punter Protocol ;)

2002-11-06 07:37

zyruz
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Posts: 33

well, i can't help, but people say 'Emulators are Lame' while they want to have a c64-look and feel alike bbs on PC .. what comes next? ... no matter if it looks like a c64 bbs or feels like that, it is still made on PC.

echo <<<sarcasm
a C64 Demo 100% made in Flash? ;^)
sarcasm;

..but it really seems people want to have a javascript like bbs .. this would mean, it takes much longer than expected.. or maybe someone else will do the javascript version..

Raveguru: well this sounds to me, like a ordinary telnet bbs, isn't it? ..

2002-11-06 10:40

Nim

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 27

While an emulated c64 BBS sounds cool and probably would be a novelty for a little while i don't think it's that good of an idea really...

As Jucke pointed out, calling these boards was an exclusive thing, i shudder at the thought of letting in all the 'lamers' to Mysic Cavern or Teminal Obsession, they were like exclusive club where lots of stuff happened, gossip, flame wars, discusions etc... man it was fun! I dont think it's possible to recreate it really...

there would be too much people simply put.. The BBS experience would be 'watered out'...

Another thing is that i dont really think that C*base, or any of the other C64 BBS programs are really made for this amount of users, it would et really impracticall to browse posts etc.. C*Base was good in that you could scroll through all new posts.. but even back then this used to become a huge amount.. imagine what it could be with an internet bbs with every old scener having access to it...

spam city...

As for C*Base being the lamer BBS... yeah right, in your dreams... after Ranger and i started making those sweet looking GFX interfaces everyone had C*Base... The US BBS's were stubbornly resisting though.. only Mystic Cavern had C*Base as far as i remember.. My memory isnt something i'd brag with ofcourse but still...

And another thing, Jucke, a mouse is NOT good for painting ;) You should get a digital pen and board for that (go Wacom!) ;)

2002-11-06 12:23

zyruz
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Posts: 33

yep, well that were our deepest thoughts about the bbs, making it exclusive.. not for 'all sceners'. People should have experiences with the real boards, or should be incredible cool and welknown for the things they have done in the past, otherwise they won't get access..

i know this sounds 'a bit' harsh, but that's the way it is.. i'm not sure if the others involved into this project share my opinion, but that's how _i_ would like to make the board.

i guess, as Jazzcat has wrote in one of his mails, the best solution is both mouse and key events..

2002-11-06 21:11

macx

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 250

i have said this before in this discussion (on other forums) and it is still my point of view: a c64bbs-clone on the internet cannot be controlled by mouseclicking. if it is, it is not a bbs-clone. those amiga- and c64boards i have been calling (and still call) have commands. p for posting.

ofcourse we can create 1800mHz-c*base using 1800mHz-ccgms, but i don't want that. as jucke mentioned, this is about c64love. and c64love has to take the time and skills necessary.

but then, i am not a coder. what is possible is not my cup of tea. behind that blue screen i'm just a dreamer.

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2002-11-08 08:06

zyruz
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Posts: 33

a complete emulation of c*base is simply nuts and impossible, due to the fact that windows has a set of keyfunctions, that you can't change.. for example :[backspace]: is not possible, you have to use :[ESC]: instead, or '.s' would become shift+s,alt+s or ctrl+s ...

true, but we can make it as close as possible... atleast i'll try.

2002-11-08 14:50

taper

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 119

A complete emulation of c*base is NOT impossible, don't give me that, cause that is plain bullshit!

Wheter it's possible to do in javascript or not I can't say, but it sure is possible to do in java. Perhaps also in php.

Taper/TRIAD

2002-11-08 18:42

zyruz
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Posts: 33

...we were talking about javascript.

in PHP (without javascript)-> !never!, since PHP is running server side. </closed>

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