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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Release id #158304 : Heil Hitler
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 23 August 2017
Moving the comments to the discussion soon.
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Submitted by Seven [PM] on 23 August 2017
So let me get that right. You're on the forefront deleting "cracks" in the database, but distributing nazi propaganda is part of the scene?
How about you put that shit on your beloved boards and remove it here then.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 23 August 2017
Well. It's part of the scene history, just as all other disturbing shit. I bet you can find countries where nudes and porn are banned - should we delete all that too? Disclaimer: germans - don't download this. You probably know your own laws. Just like you shouldn't google "Heil Hitler" etc in Germany.
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Submitted by fieserWolF [PM] on 23 August 2017
Stop distributing this shit. Also, illegal to have this on your computer or phone in Germany |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
I'd just let it go, I can't download the "demo" in question, but I suspect it was made by a couple of teens trying to shock people, well, they managed it after 31 years, hurray!
Things like these are a part of scene history, no matter where you stand politics/religion-wise. Just look at it, downvote if you wish and move on, adding comments only serves to attract more attention. |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Welcome to the Barbara Streisand effect. :D
On a more serious note, I agree with the people that think it should stay. CSDb is like a history book of C64 demo productions, and whether you like this one or not (to stress: I do not) it's part of C64 history.
Also, different people feel offended by different things. If we now would give in to your request to remove it, what's next? Where do we set the boundaries? Are we going to have to change all scrolltext of demos that say "Hi boys and girls" to a gender-neutral version?
This is a preservation site, with all the nice things and alas also the not so nice things. My advice, suck it up, deal with it. By drawing attention to this mediocre piece of code you only sparked a conversation I wished I never had to witness on CSDb. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
Huh? The moment I click the link I download the screenshot on my computer. Why hide the download?
Anyway, Heil Trump! |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Quote: Huh? The moment I click the link I download the screenshot on my computer. Why hide the download?
Anyway, Heil Trump!
Hedning has disabled/hidden the download for now until he and the other admins have decided how to deal with this stuff. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
The .prg is hidden, the screenshot is not and now it's on my computer. Nazi clickbait is the new black. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Downloaded the screenshot, should I ever have to unfriend multiple people on Facebook, this will probably do it automagically. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
Oh, if that is what you're trying to do this screenshot from Proud to Be German will probably work better
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
Oh my goodness...
Seriously, I'm pretty sure, my political attitude is FAR left from ultra-right, and - though I cannot judge due to censorship - pretty sure I disagree with the whatsoever content, judging only from the title. However, I can't believe we're even discussing ban/deletion.
If you stick to hiding or even banning this one, there's tons of stuff to be removed, whole groups. Among the - according to the Philistine deputy sherrifs - to-be-deleted stuff are many releases where Nazism/fascism is made fun of (it's called irony, humour-free people should look that up). Might not be the case here, but if we start with politics, pr0n's next. What about all the hate intros? Cracked games, aren't those illegal, too? /o\ |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
*erm* I must admit, I don't know what is happening "behind the scenes", but in *this* particular thread I only see three people (including me) who just expressed in short sentences that they personally don't like/need/want this shit. I fail to see the reason for the censorship, philistine, moral blabla debate that followed. Can't speak for fieserWolf or Seven, but as far as I'm concered: I'm not offended, I don't care if it's legal / illegal. I just don't need this shit and if this was *my* website I wouldn't want to host this (at least not available for the public). And as I stated above: I personally choose to differentiate between shit I tolerate and shit I don't tolerate anymore. For *me* this particular release belongs to the latter. If CSDb staff decides they'll tolerate it: so be it. No problem. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
The problem with deleting shit that we all agree on is completely tasteless and offensive is that after that has been deleted then there will be some other stuff on the top of the list of offensive releases. And surely there will be people arguing that if the other stuff was deleted, why can't we also delete this? So, to avoid a constant discussion about what should be deleted, I think it's much simpler to just host everything that's released on the c64 scene, unless it clearly violates the law where it's hosted. |
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