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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Release id #158304 : Heil Hitler
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 23 August 2017
Moving the comments to the discussion soon.
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Submitted by Seven [PM] on 23 August 2017
So let me get that right. You're on the forefront deleting "cracks" in the database, but distributing nazi propaganda is part of the scene?
How about you put that shit on your beloved boards and remove it here then.
User Comment
Submitted by hedning [PM] on 23 August 2017
Well. It's part of the scene history, just as all other disturbing shit. I bet you can find countries where nudes and porn are banned - should we delete all that too? Disclaimer: germans - don't download this. You probably know your own laws. Just like you shouldn't google "Heil Hitler" etc in Germany.
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Submitted by fieserWolF [PM] on 23 August 2017
Stop distributing this shit. Also, illegal to have this on your computer or phone in Germany |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Seven: What cracks am I deleting? I have no clue what you are talking about. I am one of the guys that want to preserve as much as possible.
Also: Preserving scene releases does not mean "spreading propaganda". I agree this release is disturbing, but so are communistic propaganda, homophobic crap and other shit found in the C64 scene throughout the last 35 years. What we shouldn't do is "cleaning up", censoring, the scene's history making it something else than it was. That is pure historical revisionism. What's next? Deleting all releass mentioning Kim Jong-Il? Nudes? Porn? All demos with homophobic scrolltexts or gfx? Please enlighten me?
The release is now only downloadable for logged in users. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
For now the file is hidden from download. I have started a thread about it with the moderators to see what their view is on this. And please understand that I uploaded this the second I found it, just like with all other releases I find, because I want as much as possible preserved. The scene is what it is, and by historical reasons I don't want the ugly parts hidden away, making the scene look better than it was. That would be lying. It's not about spreading propaganda. Then every communistic or political release should be banned. + all offensive stuff like releases with homophobic content or stuff like that. And yes, I am a history teacher, and know the importance of not "cleaning up" history, hiding uncomfortable stuff away. And I should not have to point out that I do not back up nazism/fascism in any way, but as the reactions were strong enough (people hunted down my team mates in GP and were pissed off on them) I think it's good to be really clear on that point.
I am perfectly aware of the laws in Germany too, but if you live in Germany you are aware of that you make a crime by downloading this, just like you should not google nazi pics and download them. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Please remove the following also:
Dansa med Achmed
Red Storm
Piccolo Mouso
The Nazi Commander
I Need Gays |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
It's impossible to have categorical rules that apply to *everything*. But I at least hope most would agree: Wherever you "draw the line", this one should be beyond it.
And as I had been working a couple of years in a nursing home for disabled people I can assure you: there are a bazillion different flavours of crap ;-) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Censorship is fascism. Just because Germany has stupid rules doesn't mean it should apply to the rest of us. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3186 |
If anything offends you, or your "laws", well, look away. You can't apply local rules to an international site.
And cracks are not deleted, just hidden for some time. After that time, they get visible again. Infact it's _REQUIRED_ to upload the crack and make it invisible if it's the case, if you want a new crack entry in here. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Quote: Censorship is fascism. Just because Germany has stupid rules doesn't mean it should apply to the rest of us.
word! Hiding Nazi propaganda wont help avoiding the rise of neo-nazis. Only education, history and removal of poverty and misery will. |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
Quote:Submitted by Seven [PM] on 23 August 2017
but distributing nazi propaganda is part of the scene? How about you put that shit on your beloved boards and remove it here then.
a release.. from 1986... HAHAHAHA. what took you over 30 years to complain? are we now going to revisit every single damn release in this database, proofread every scroll and screen of text because it might offend someone? this is utterly ridiculous and truly pathetic on a grand scale. don't like the release? too damn bad for you. why should it be deleted? 30 years after it was released? there is no reason at all to justify a sad and pathetic attempt at censorship.
卍卍卍卍 I'm tempted to just name anything I make from now on as HITLER and throw in NAZI symbolism in everywhere I can just to piss you off! :D 卍卍卍卍
Quote:Submitted by fieserWolF [PM] on 23 August 2017
Stop distributing this shit. Also, illegal to have this on your computer or phone in Germany
卍 leave germany. problem: solved. 卍
this is how far we've progressed? 2017: it offends me! delete it from the face of the earth!
gtfo xD
this is not the right way to run a historical database. censorship of any kind should not be tolerated in any way whatsoever by anyone, no matter how offensive it may be to you or anyone else that disagrees with its subject matter or content.
please restore the link, hedning. don't let these weak pansies dictate how things should be run.
Quoting JackAsserPlease remove the following also:
Piccolo Mouso
you bastard! ;) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3186 |
adam: that's the buddhist symbol of peace, it's used to indicate temples in the maps; the swastika is oriented the other way. JFYI |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
Somebody seems to think that CSDb has existed since 1986 and can't tell when a release has been added to a database just recently.
Good talk. |
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