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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Release id #150735 : I Am the Flashing C64 Cursor +D
The "discussion" in the comments section escalated quickly, so it was moved here, where it kind of belongs. The comment section should be about the release itself only, not the game that was cracked or philosophy about what should be released or not.
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 4 October 2016
Whilst the heart of the release group might be in the right place. I think this might be a bit too much also (I respect we have our own ideas on what we should release and not release, with our own reasons).
I agree that a lot of people are unfortunately (in my view) favourable on this style (albeit people not from the cracking scene); I am curious on people *in* or have been in the cracking scene and their views, will they be as supportive? Possibly people do not want to rock the boat and keep their thoughts to themselves?
This could be a broader discussion for the forums: e.g. releasing games made by members of own group, releasing CSDb games (when and when not to). Releasing games code in Basic etc. Of course people can do what they want. We all have made errors in judgement, but how to get the quality/baseline tradition back?
I guess such a forum blog would be difficult, people may want to piss on each others shoes etc rather than getting back to oldschool (whatever that used to be).
Anyway, hoping not to have a heated discussion but a healthy debate.
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Submitted by Fungus [PM] on 4 October 2016
This is not a "discussion" I am making a comment on the quality of this game and this release. It is my opinion, if you don't like it tough shit.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 3 October 2016
I don't agree, of course. It's a unique meta level take, and a cool nerdy game. But this "discussion" should move to the forum instead if you would like to continue. It seems more people are liking it, so your view is not universal, quite the opposite. If you have more to say about what we should do and not, please send a PM and I can ignore it in peace without disturbing the rest of the population.
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Submitted by Fungus [PM] on 3 October 2016
I don't need to read the fucking manual, this is shit and not worthy of releasing.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 3 October 2016
rtfm ;)
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Submitted by Fungus [PM] on 3 October 2016
This isn't even worthy of dinasours. Is this what the scene has come to? You should be ashamed of releasing this. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
What examples of comments for releases would be okay? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Quote: What examples of comments for releases would be okay?
I'm not running this database, and I am not the only moderator, but I think I showed my own reflections and views above.
I often use and used the comment field giving feedback. Hopefully creative feedback. I probably sinned too from time to time, I guess. Look at it like this: If the comments field is going in a discussion direction it's better to move it here.
Point is the comments field is problematic, as it is used as a thread on facebook. I don't think we should turn CSDb into Facebook. This is primarely a database of C64 scene releases. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Maybe remove the comments field? |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Abandon the cracker scene from csdb. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Hcl: true. Its own db done in the same way as the boards. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Quote: Maybe remove the comments field?
Not a bad idea. Will present that to the others. It takes a lot of time to clean up the comments; time that could be more useful spent on merging entries etc. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
- a few days ago, before this discussion started, I asked mighty Perff if it was possible to let the uploader choose if he/she wants comments or not. a bit like on youtube, when sometimes you see "comments are disabled for this video".
he wasn't enthusiastic about the idea :)
- usually short games have a short intro and multifiler bigger intros, no need to set a special rule for that IMHO.
- Hedning, do not be too hard with yourself. you are a "net-tard", but you are a cool one and you know the business :) |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2581 |
Quoting hedningThere is also another argument closing the comments field all together and only have comments and discussions here by the way, even if that might be far away, and that is the fact that this is supposed to be a database, and as such mainly should hold releases with information around that release - who made what, background etc. What random sceners might think about the releases is pretty uninteresting to have as the main info right under an entry. The forum is much more suited for chats and debates and what people might think etc etc. But that is of course a question for Perff and the mods, not me alone.
+1. Having to open a thread just to rant about how shitty the release is might deter people who are not so much interested in giving fair and constructive feedback (that does not mean backpetting only!). The few people who care enough could then give their feedback via PM. PMs can also be easier ignored, should someone choose to write rubbish in it. But the authors who are interested in feedback will also know how to take criticism - if it can contribute to improvement of their work. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
There's that line again, CSDB is a DATABASE. Then make it one, all comments, votes, forums etc removed. DB's don't have any such shit in them except discussions over the validity of information about those releases. All this stuff would stop, and your moderating made infinitely simpler and easy to maintain. No fuss, no opinions, no soul.
You aren't going to do that though are you? So maybe stop using it as a lame defense to just have your way when you don't like how people that use it conduct themselves, or express their opinions about stuff here.
That discussion also deserves another topic, because it is entirely unclear the purpose of this site with all the contradictions.
My comment, again, was directed at the release. Hard for you to understand I guess... whatever. I don't tell you how to run your group either so bugger off with that. Also don't act condescending with me either hedning, I might not agree with you but I don't talk down to you like some child or avoid directly speaking to you to avoid confrontation. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Fungus: I can't do shit without the others, anyhow. I am expressing how I want this place to be. I'm not talking about taking away comments/feedback/debates either, just moving them to the forum (which we already should do with stuff that escalates into discussions, which was the case here).
Regarding you telling us what to do; sorry, I mixed your posts up with some of Jazzcat's stuff, drawing up lines how groups should act and release etc, which takes me to your next point: I have no problem being direct, and I didn't mean to sound like I was talking to a child (I can't see that myself, I just wanted to be clear), but in this case I was directing my answers to you, JC and Peacemaker at the same time.
Now; I have disks to dump. Tata. |
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