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CyberBrain
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Release id #20965 : Mortalis Arisen 90%
Continuing the discussion from http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=20965&show=review
@The Dark Judge: i see your point, a release should be a prod that has been released. :) But party-entries that has not been released (at least not in the form they were in when competing) is a special-case i think. I know that the word "release" might be a bit off in this case...
But even though it's unfurtunate, it's something that has happened a lotta times through history, but that shouldn't mean that CSDb shouldn't have the complete party-results for these parties imo. I don't think it's been a problem till now?
Maybe some people would argue that we should just set the 100% version to be the winner of the party. But that would be wrong imo, as it wasn't the prod that won.
A good solution would be to go back in time and force a rule on each party: "ALL COMPETING ENTRIES WILL BE SPREAD NO MATTER IF THEY'RE FINISHED OR NOT!!!!" |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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I've always had the opinion that unfinished productions never should be allowed in the compos unless it's ok to spread them afterwards, it's unfair for those who has struggled a lot to get their production ready if something unfinished wins. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: nicely ;-)
first thing i want to mention that it shouldn't be my thing to say that a 90% demo should not compete with other demos. and i agree that it should be spreaded anyway because it's a release. the word just say it: "release"
on the other hand, exile told me that the demo should run on an emulator and would load in a 1571 diskdrive but can crash while running in a 1541 drive. they want to fix that first...a pity that i knew about this demo a few minutes before the compos started. but that's just me.
-2 start press any key..where is the any key?-
Releases that do not work in 1541 I or II and a real C64 should not be allowed also unfinished demos should not be allowed in competitions |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Releases that do not work in 1541 I or II and a real C64 should not be allowed also unfinished demos should not be allowed in competitions
how do you decide wether its finished ? :) The smarter rule is: ALL release must get spreaded after the party. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
and btw,
before I released soiled legacy it was _shown_ before/after the demo compo at a hun party, but OUTSIDE the compo. and the unfinished final is spread until today, that took part in the X compo... |
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raven
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 137 |
Quote: I've always had the opinion that unfinished productions never should be allowed in the compos unless it's ok to spread them afterwards, it's unfair for those who has struggled a lot to get their production ready if something unfinished wins.
@Zyron:
Unfair how exactly?
If something unfinished wins, all it means is the voters liked it the most (usually).
How is this unfair to the other releases?
A prod being unfinished doesnt mean its creators
didnt struggle to get it ready to be shown, somehow.
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: how do you decide wether its finished ? :) The smarter rule is: ALL release must get spreaded after the party.
Quote: Releases that do not work in 1541 I or II and a real C64, e.g. are in my opinion. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Quote: @Zyron:
Unfair how exactly?
If something unfinished wins, all it means is the voters liked it the most (usually).
How is this unfair to the other releases?
A prod being unfinished doesnt mean its creators
didnt struggle to get it ready to be shown, somehow.
All entries should compete under the same conditions. |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
All this fussing about ´rules´ is understandable.
But as it was shown during the demo-compo and I really liked it a lot,I voted accordingly.
It was only afterwards, that we found out, it wasn´t eligible for voting. :(
A demo that ísn´t finished (for whatever reason) shouldn´t take part in compos.
If you feel the need to participate in one,just wait for the next opportunity and avoid this ´disgrace´.
I think the demo is very good and wouldn´t have much problems being recognised as such,anytime!! |
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raven
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 137 |
@Zyron:
If so, being unfinished gives it a disadvantage over other
prods, nothing more, so i still cant see the problem..
I do agree however, that it'd be best if the rules state
that all prods must be released after the event.
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
mmmmm, Dutch Breeze wasn't 100% at Silicon Party, and it wasn't released as such, but fixed and released after the party.
Having said that, it contradicts my opinion nowadays. I think it shows bravery if a team releases a 90% demo. (And possibly update it later to a 100%, if they still want that)
And frankly, I think I will not miss the 10% of the discussed demo anyway. |
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