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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622 |
Release id #244483 : Oceanborn
TheRyk mentions here that this pic being animated makes it a one file demo. Is that definitely the case for all GFX? I’ve seen many animations on CSDb that were tagged as gfx but which included simple animations.
What’s the definition for whether a graphic is “animated”? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281 |
If whatever classification on csdb affects what you "can do" then you are doing it wrong in the first place.
And yes, certain rules may not make sense. However as long as no rules exist things make even less sense. (And adding credits to rob hubbard to all and everything that uses hubbard tunes will never make sense for that matter). |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622 |
GPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense. The scene doesn’t need rules for something as simple as deciding whether a release is made to show off effects, graphics or music.
What next? Reclassify cracks as demos because they feature an intro on the front? It’s not just a game any more, after all, and often the intro is more interesting than the game itself?
Or, as I say, we simply use common sense. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 265 |
Quoting RaistlinGPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense.
There is no common sense, everyone has one's own.
Some have more than one, especially here on CSDB. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1066 |
Quoting RaistlinGPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense. The scene doesn’t need rules for something as simple as deciding whether a release is made to show off effects, graphics or music.
What next? Reclassify cracks as demos because they feature an intro on the front? It’s not just a game any more, after all, and often the intro is more interesting than the game itself?
Or, as I say, we simply use common sense. +1 from me :) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1641 |
In line with the common sense remarks, I would say the concepts of the scene are better understood in terms of family resemblance than as a matter of strict formal categories. From that point of view it is not strange at all if it is a bit tricky to come up with a list of necessary and/or sufficient conditions to define each of the categories.
In fact, I find it fascinating to what a large extent a simple scheme of classification (demos, cracks, etc) actually works to classify the vaaaast majority of all those thousands and thousands of releases that are entered into CSDb. It kind of illustrates to what a large extent people — a lot of people — have oriented themselves towards a few relatively intuitively graspable categories over the years, in many many instances, in such a strikingly orderly fashion. |
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DKT
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 99 |
For me, the classification of the demo is quite simple (for the case when it's released out of any compo). This production should be classified as a demo or intro. If anything moves on the screen (and it's not an equalizer), it's already a demo or intro. |
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Flex
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 107 |
What Raistlin (& others) said. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622 |
“If something moves on the screen it’s already a demo or an intro”
It’s going to take a while to reclassify all those interlace FLI pics to be intros… |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Perhaps then, every executable that's not a game or a crack is a demo or an intro? Just reading what I just wrote feels bizarre. I strongly suspect this inconsistency situation is unresolvable. Without curtailing authors that is. And it's been (rightly) said above that if a database of artifacts' classification system curtails past present and future authors, it' broken. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281 |
Quote:GPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense.
The problem with common sense is that it isn't quite common. And that is why rules are strictly required for this sort of thing - as demonstrated by the countless never ending discussions about this "common sense".
And if you can't come up with a simple rule according to your common sense - it doesn't make a lot of sense either to be begin with. |
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