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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622 |
Release id #244483 : Oceanborn
TheRyk mentions here that this pic being animated makes it a one file demo. Is that definitely the case for all GFX? I’ve seen many animations on CSDb that were tagged as gfx but which included simple animations.
What’s the definition for whether a graphic is “animated”? |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 265 |
Quoting RaistlinGPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense.
There is no common sense, everyone has one's own.
Some have more than one, especially here on CSDB. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1066 |
Quoting RaistlinGPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense. The scene doesn’t need rules for something as simple as deciding whether a release is made to show off effects, graphics or music.
What next? Reclassify cracks as demos because they feature an intro on the front? It’s not just a game any more, after all, and often the intro is more interesting than the game itself?
Or, as I say, we simply use common sense. +1 from me :) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1641 |
In line with the common sense remarks, I would say the concepts of the scene are better understood in terms of family resemblance than as a matter of strict formal categories. From that point of view it is not strange at all if it is a bit tricky to come up with a list of necessary and/or sufficient conditions to define each of the categories.
In fact, I find it fascinating to what a large extent a simple scheme of classification (demos, cracks, etc) actually works to classify the vaaaast majority of all those thousands and thousands of releases that are entered into CSDb. It kind of illustrates to what a large extent people — a lot of people — have oriented themselves towards a few relatively intuitively graspable categories over the years, in many many instances, in such a strikingly orderly fashion. |
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DKT
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 99 |
For me, the classification of the demo is quite simple (for the case when it's released out of any compo). This production should be classified as a demo or intro. If anything moves on the screen (and it's not an equalizer), it's already a demo or intro. |
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Flex
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 107 |
What Raistlin (& others) said. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622 |
“If something moves on the screen it’s already a demo or an intro”
It’s going to take a while to reclassify all those interlace FLI pics to be intros… |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
Perhaps then, every executable that's not a game or a crack is a demo or an intro? Just reading what I just wrote feels bizarre. I strongly suspect this inconsistency situation is unresolvable. Without curtailing authors that is. And it's been (rightly) said above that if a database of artifacts' classification system curtails past present and future authors, it' broken. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281 |
Quote:GPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense.
The problem with common sense is that it isn't quite common. And that is why rules are strictly required for this sort of thing - as demonstrated by the countless never ending discussions about this "common sense".
And if you can't come up with a simple rule according to your common sense - it doesn't make a lot of sense either to be begin with. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2133 |
Holy arbitrariness, Batman...
I do see the point when it comes to music releases with players that actually defined by their visual effects are demos or intros. More as a result of fashion it has become common _practice_ (let's not use the term common sense, hehehe) to let these be "C64 Music" anyway.
But animated gfx with sound as graphics for - excuse my wording - really stupid reasons like "The author decides" or "TheRyk is unfair" or "This costs upvotes" (<- /o\ m favourite argument, Ryk stole the vote! again!) ... Come on... must be the summer heat.
First of all, that "the author decides" stuff. OK, so I release a mute picture as category C64 Music, call it "enjoy the silence" and if anyone dares recommending "Graphics", I generate drama...? Next point is, the entry is locked by Worrior1, I just added(!) myself as maintainer to make that change (one of the few Mod superpowers). He ist still maintainer and could have set it back anytime. Also: I'm on very good terms with Worrior1, even worked on releases with him, so if _he_ had a problem, he would have contacted me long ago and not waited for the Knights of the "All Categories Are Set by Author" round table. BTW My guess is he doesn't care at all :)
Most of all, I don't care enough to rambo this our forever, because I don't think it's important enough. That's why I set it back to GFX now, not because I find your points very logical. Following that logic, categories are superfluous altogether, let's just label everything a "C64 Related Release" and have a "Kill All Categories
Parade" every 26th of July. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178 |
LOL Ryk stole the vote! Again! B*stard! 🤣 |
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