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2024-07-23 23:36
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622
Release id #244483 : Oceanborn

TheRyk mentions here that this pic being animated makes it a one file demo. Is that definitely the case for all GFX? I’ve seen many animations on CSDb that were tagged as gfx but which included simple animations.

What’s the definition for whether a graphic is “animated”?
 
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2024-07-26 09:50
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281
Quote:
GPZ: in the absence of “rules”, there’s still common sense.

The problem with common sense is that it isn't quite common. And that is why rules are strictly required for this sort of thing - as demonstrated by the countless never ending discussions about this "common sense".

And if you can't come up with a simple rule according to your common sense - it doesn't make a lot of sense either to be begin with.
2024-07-26 09:57
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2133
Holy arbitrariness, Batman...

I do see the point when it comes to music releases with players that actually defined by their visual effects are demos or intros. More as a result of fashion it has become common _practice_ (let's not use the term common sense, hehehe) to let these be "C64 Music" anyway.

But animated gfx with sound as graphics for - excuse my wording - really stupid reasons like "The author decides" or "TheRyk is unfair" or "This costs upvotes" (<- /o\ m favourite argument, Ryk stole the vote! again!) ... Come on... must be the summer heat.

First of all, that "the author decides" stuff. OK, so I release a mute picture as category C64 Music, call it "enjoy the silence" and if anyone dares recommending "Graphics", I generate drama...? Next point is, the entry is locked by Worrior1, I just added(!) myself as maintainer to make that change (one of the few Mod superpowers). He ist still maintainer and could have set it back anytime. Also: I'm on very good terms with Worrior1, even worked on releases with him, so if _he_ had a problem, he would have contacted me long ago and not waited for the Knights of the "All Categories Are Set by Author" round table. BTW My guess is he doesn't care at all :)

Most of all, I don't care enough to rambo this our forever, because I don't think it's important enough. That's why I set it back to GFX now, not because I find your points very logical. Following that logic, categories are superfluous altogether, let's just label everything a "C64 Related Release" and have a "Kill All Categories
Parade" every 26th of July.
2024-07-26 10:46
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 178
LOL Ryk stole the vote! Again! B*stard! 🤣
2024-07-26 12:00
Mixer

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 443
This is funny because of following real-life analogy. The finnish government loves to create arbitary classifications so that it can enforce its policies. As a result there are continuously complaints about how situation of individuals do not fit to any of the classifications, and thus they're treated unfairly in their opinion. The public opinion always is split between those who do not care, who think that classifications should be enforced and those who think that government is shit.
2024-07-26 12:17
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11281
Yes, and the german tax system is a textbook example of what happens if you try to massage the classifications to make everyone happy :=)
2024-07-26 19:35
Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1066
Quoting chatGPZ
Yes, and the german tax system is a textbook example of what happens if you try to massage the classifications to make everyone happy :=)
ok, you made me lol :)
2024-07-27 02:07
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2133
Lightforce Demo

One-Filed Demo for 6 weeks as of now and no complaints

just sayin'
2024-07-27 04:15
Raistlin

Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 622
@TheRyk: yep, I refer you back to the common sense thoughts.

Fjällevator Music

^ features unique music, code and graphics. But LFT made the code and graphics to bring attention to that it’s elevator music. His choice IMO and we can’t really argue that this isn’t a music release.
2024-07-27 06:59
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 939
Quote: @TheRyk: yep, I refer you back to the common sense thoughts.

Fjällevator Music

^ features unique music, code and graphics. But LFT made the code and graphics to bring attention to that it’s elevator music. His choice IMO and we can’t really argue that this isn’t a music release.


It can be classified as 'C64 Music (PETSCII)' then.

Anyway, almost all my tunes have a demo wrapped around them. But none of the Ordnung muss sein fans are bothered to change the types to C64 Onefile demo. It's not all that important aka too much work, I guess.
2024-07-28 01:37
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2133
Quoting Hein
... none of the Ordnung muss sein fans ...

OUCH! That hurt! :_(

NOT :)

Really do wtf you want

*CLOSED*
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