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2021-07-04 16:56
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Release id #205500 : Freespin

Allow me to comment on some tech details here, as i don't have an FB account to comment on the blog.

Great idea about the table-less 3:2 GCR-compliant codec to have maximum spare space for actual payload effect code. =)

(But table sizes of traditional decoding schemes aren't all that big, really.)
 
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2021-07-10 11:05
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Quoting willymanilly
I'm suspecting Z64K is having issues with correctly handling the bit banging of the track stepper which possibly causes reading of data from wrong track, eventually causing the demo to crash.

Does anyone have any info on what the mechanical delays are for the stepping motor on real hardware that should be taken into consideration for accurate emulation?
Have you checked Release id #160665 : Stepper Test 1.0 ?
Does Z64K currently pass Drive-emu-check (which checks for some/minimal modelling of r/w head inertia)?
2021-07-10 11:13
willymanilly

Registered: Jan 2016
Posts: 27
Quoting Krill
Have you checked Release id #160665 : Stepper Test 1.0 ?
Does Z64K currently pass Drive-emu-check (which checks for some/minimal modelling of r/w head inertia)?
Cheers for that! I haven't checked out those tests yet. I'll have a play with them.
2021-07-10 11:21
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Quoting willymanilly
Cheers for that! I haven't checked out those tests yet. I'll have a play with them.
Alright! Will dig out the bug-fixed version of the latter, otherwise analysing it might cause more headache than necessary. =)
2021-07-10 12:04
willymanilly

Registered: Jan 2016
Posts: 27
Quoting Krill
Alright! Will dig out the bug-fixed version of the latter, otherwise analysing it might cause more headache than necessary. =)

Thanks for the heads up. :) I just ran the latter in Z64K and it displays the expected result for emulators "00,EMU,00,00".
2021-07-11 13:32
Quiss

Registered: Nov 2016
Posts: 37
Quoting Raistlin

Should this be classed as a C64 Demo or something else?

FWIW, I'm fine with changing the category. Unsure which of the existing categories would be more fitting, though. (Or, if creation of a new category is on the table, what that should be?)

Quoting willymanilly

It could be a number of reasons but I'm suspecting Z64K is having issues with correctly handling the bit banging of the track stepper which possibly causes reading of data from wrong track, eventually causing the demo to crash.

Hmm, freespin typically doesn't crash if it's just on the wrong track (as long as it's not on a half-track). There's one part per track, so it'll just play whatever part is on that track. Send me a PM if I can help debug.
2021-07-11 22:47
willymanilly

Registered: Jan 2016
Posts: 27
Quoting Quiss
Hmm, freespin typically doesn't crash if it's just on the wrong track (as long as it's not on a half-track). There's one part per track, so it'll just play whatever part is on that track. Send me a PM if I can help debug.

Cheers, that's good to know re: one part per track. I've sent you a pm. :)
2021-07-12 09:12
Trap

Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 222
A category that covers all "Wild" c64 demos would be a good idea IMO. Covering, REU, SCPU, 1541, YAM etc. etc. (thus replacing the current REU only category)
2021-07-12 09:42
Higgie

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 113
I totally agree with you, Trap. +1 for a category that covers all releases that rely on hardware other than c64 + c1541.
2021-07-12 12:31
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466
Good idea to have a "C64 on steroids" category!

One's tempted to just use the already existing "REU"-category for it right away, but I pretty much assume the mods won't accept such a friendly takeover ;) So we'll have to wait for upcoming wonders...
2021-07-12 12:34
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11113
A new category for ONE release. seems sane :)
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