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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
4K categories
Currently there is "4K Intro" and "4K Game".
With the invention of ICC, the fundamental difference between 4K demos and 4K intros became apparent.
The former are restricted to 4 KB executable size but may use the entire RAM during run-time (traditional 4K restriction in demo compos), and the latter are restricted to 4 KB of run-time memory usage (restriction for actual intros running before a linked payload).
This difference has a tremendous impact on what can or cannot be done, in all departments.
So maybe it's a good idea to introduce "4K Demo" as a new category.
Most existing "4K Intro" entries would fall into that, so maybe they could be blanket-changed to "4K Demo", then users would change select entries back to "4K Intro" over time. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
I'll add that One file demos and One part demos should also be different. How Oneder not be in top 10 is just ridiculous. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
Or perhaps just do the right thing and make "size restriction" a seperate property in the db? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Quoting GroepazOr perhaps just do the right thing and make "size restriction" a seperate property in the db? Should distinguish between executable size and run-time memory, then. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Well, "4k Intro" has been a fixed category in demo competitions for a long time. Never found the sense why it was called "intro" but accepted it as traditional naming for a single- or multipart demo which is only allowed to have 4096bytes as executable but may occupy everything available after start.
I don't see the need for a separate category just because I've made my compo rules different to only allow a footprint of 4k before and after running. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
I wouldn't use "tradition" as a reason to keep a silly label for something that can be named more aptly to reduce confusion and ambiguity. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2070 |
Actually I find this exotic ICC 4K "footprint" rule (pretty much resulting in 4K uncrunched without any out of boundaries writes apart from I/O, ZP, Stack) is rather a special case of 4K intro. I don't wanna complain about that rule, it's fun to have that extra restriction. We might wanna debate 16 blocks on disk (which is a little less than 4.096 due to header byte and pointer bytes). But in my book 4K (if you don't compete in ICC 4K) means what-so-ever-stuff how-so-ever-crunched fits into 4K.
PS: And one-filed-demo versus intro... well, I don't wanna dive into THAT discussion again, as I guess all silly and controversial views on that have been exchanged without any compromise. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
I share your ideas, but it'll never happen. Development on csdb has stopped a long long time ago.
Still waiting for a PETSCII compo category too... |
