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2019-08-14 16:13
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4426
Unban JSL 3

well I'd have liked to see what is the general opinion on JSL, also it would have been interesting to see how many want him back in here, I dont even know why he was banned , I was hoping to learn these things from the original thread. Guess noone thinks csdb is moderated by votes.
 
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2019-08-15 02:18
Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2075
<Post edited by moderator on 16/8-2019 19:34>

The problem for some of the users that have received a ban here is they won't accept that they created the issue. They continue to blame the staff years after the ban has been in place. Some that come to mind are Buddha, sidwave, and JSL.

If you're on ircnet #c-64 you'd notice JSL joining in May, June, and July. I haven't noticed him lately, but during this time he dumps msgs on people. Here is a sampling of the stuff he is sending to me and groepaz ...

Quote:
11:27:50 AM <groepaz__> <Anon666> so you banned jsl with moloch, jsl said to me, that buried jsl.. ;>
11:27:50 AM <groepaz__> <Anon666> he
11:27:50 AM <groepaz__> <Anon666> he has something with hacking.. Anonymous y'know?
11:28:05 AM <groepaz__> * [Anon666] (~jsl[redacted]
11:28:06 AM <groepaz__> >_<
11:29:19 AM <groepaz__> <Anon666> !#113 i am off, WE ARE LEGION. ahah..
11:29:21 AM <groepaz__> >_<

11:39:19 AM <groepaz__> <Anon666> ... finally I was asking if you know jsl, his life is one stressing problem
11:39:22 AM <groepaz__> >_<
11:40:29 AM <@Moloch_> talking in the third person? totally sane!
11:41:17 AM <groepaz__> we are amused
11:41:23 AM <groepaz__> =P

11:53:31 AM <@Moloch_> <Anon666> yo kn'ow. gr'o-!##23415526617.AP.L -189.17.!* GROEPAZ ?
11:53:51 AM <groepaz__> lol
11:56:11 AM <groepaz__> <Anon666> I am Anonymous OPSEC and what r u?
11:56:14 AM <groepaz__> haha
12:25:18 PM <groepaz__> <Anon666> hard times, eh, how's the fish?
12:25:33 PM <groepaz__> suddenly rambones appears sane
12:25:35 PM <groepaz__> >_<
12:25:55 PM <@Moloch_> nothing to exciting here
12:25:56 PM <@Moloch_> <Anon666> silence is the word, eh
12:26:49 PM <groepaz__> i'll tell him who is behind it all, so you can get your fan demo too
12:26:56 PM <groepaz__> =P
12:29:49 PM <@Moloch_> <Anon666> i'll xnec u k'now isec u off..
12:30:20 PM <groepaz__> <Anon666> l8r.7iLLniGHt
12:30:22 PM <groepaz__> OK

[20:06]<Anon666> so you banned jsl with moloch, jsl said to me, that buried jsl.. ;>
[20:12]<Anon666> he
[20:17]<Anon666> he has something with hacking.. Anonymous y'know?
[20:26]* [Anon666] (~jsl[redacted]
[20:26]* [Anon666] #c-64 +#worldchat
[20:26]* [Anon666] irc.us.ircnet.net :United States of America Open Server
[20:26]* [Anon666] idle 00:08:46, signon: Fri May 24 18:33:55
[20:26]* [Anon666] End of WHOIS list.
[20:27]<Anon666> !#113 i am off, WE ARE LEGION. ahah..
[20:30]<Anon666> :<L
[20:37]<Anon666> ... finally I was asking if you know jsl, his life is one stressing problem
[20:54]<Anon666> I am Anonymous OPSEC and what r u?
[21:23]<Anon666> hard times, eh, how's the fish?
[21:26]<Anon666> l8r.7iLLniGHt
[22:59]<Anon666> |
[23:45]<Anon666> saddam?
[23:59]<Anon666> [ O ]
[00:50]<Anon666> wht a7u d0nG'p-N0w_uSUK

11:56:57 AM <groepaz_> <Anon666> hello & welcome
11:56:57 AM <groepaz_> <Anon666> jsl vote 1!!!!
11:56:57 AM <groepaz_> <Anon666> damn stories..
11:56:57 AM <groepaz_> <Anon666> Y T PIK. C yah

1:50:06 PM <groepaz> <Anon666> hi
1:50:06 PM <groepaz> <Anon666> I C U
2019-08-15 02:48
Kickback

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 78
...Poof we're gone ... Oh wait, I'm not doing scrolltext in a release :P
2019-08-15 08:01
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2350
Quote: JSL has stopped drawing on paper and c64.
Opening up CSDB for him is not going to give any NEW releases :-(

The logo used in SoS Summer Meeting 2018 was the last time he touched his c64.

I have spontaneous contact with him and he is not in a good condition.

Closing him out of CSDB was perhaps right,
but it was one of the few things that got him feel that he was someone and not just a sick man.
He lived his life through CSDB and where people knew who he was and saw his pictures.

I don't want to write anything about his illness but his medication did not work at that time :-(

JSL drew a lot and always had to many new ideas and his images became of varying quality.
There could be more than 10 new pictures in one weekend!

He had a hard time seeing what was good and bad he took all the negative criticism personaly due to that.


Sad to hear how important CSDb was to him, but unfortunately CSDb can't be a psychiatric ward. It's not the main idea with this place. It doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for him (even if I got a lot of hate and crap in my mail box, and ramblings about nazi mods and how corrupt we are by doing what we are supposed to do - which we all are used to. It's standard procedure when people get banned - we get tons of hate and shit for every ban. I can't remember anyone apologizing for anything. What we do get, however, is a tail of querulant activists, other users obsessed with obtaining "justice", that contantly feed the hate against the moderators and CSDb; maybe to look "good" themselves; I dunno. It's a bit tiresome, as we are only humans, and try our best to uphold the rules of this place).

JSL was not banned because anyone hates him, he was banned to protect the other users of this place and the database itself. Same goes for every ban.
2019-08-15 08:21
Shine

Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 250
My first thread and my intention was not to criticise the banning procedure generally.
And btw. i think honestly that the mod's do an awesome job. It's not possible to make all happy. That's out of question.

My thoughts were only:
Is it really necessary to ban people forever (permanent) before at least one temporary ban, even for 1 year?

(And i know, sometimes and we have some bad examples, it's not possible for a temporary ban)
2019-08-15 11:08
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2350
<Post edited by hedning on 15/8-2019 17:39>

There is no such thing as a lifelong ban. On the other hand, why let anyone in again without them showing any regrets or understanding why they were banned in the first place? What we usually get is threats and querulant demands to get in again. I think you understand why that is not helping very much.
2019-08-15 14:32
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1491
And when I asked you to delete my account, it wasn't possible. Now I'm stuck in here for all eternity. Nazi-Mods! ;-)

Honestly, I'm with you on this. If situations change and people show some regret and apologize, why not let them back in. But then, it's been so much more quiet in here without some people's dramas...
2019-08-15 18:50
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 2360
Steppe: I'm baffled to hear you want to be "deleted" from here, but if anything one just have to not log in for 6 months and his account is automatically closed. We don't ban for just closing an account, a ban must be voted and there should be a good reason for it.
I hope you've changed your mind in any case.

> people show some regret and apologize

that happens very rarely, and when happened, a unban vote decides to admit again the user.
2019-08-15 19:20
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1491
Sure, that's what I've been told (six months no log in), but I'm glad I couldn't make it for that long without my occasional sniff of C64. :-)
2019-08-16 00:09
bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 1753
@Steppe: Welcome back!
2019-08-16 05:01
The Phantom

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 355
Forgiving someone for past actions is a way of life.

I didn't care for too many of the negative comments on JSL's work, but isn't that what commenting is about?
I admit, I HATE when people post negative anythings about my works, and often, it will upset me to the point of a bad comment. I've learned since those days that if you release PUBLICLY, you have to accept ALL FEEDBACK, negative or positive.
Most of all, and this is where JSL has failed. The negative comments are meant as a positive from sceners on how to improve his works. He wasn't a bad artist, just his attitude towards those of us who meant nothing more than to help improve his skills.

I'd vote YES on letting him back on the "base", but with an exception... The attitude needs to go.

I know I'm not one to talk about attitude (right Jon?). Some people know how to get under my skin, but I'd like to think I've changed in that aspect. Negative comments, to me, are a way to improve skills where they need improving. If you cannot handle what someone thinks of your work(s), you shouldn't be releasing. Not everyone will like what you do, and you will always, ALWAYS, get some fool that thinks otherwise about your work. This applies outside our scene too.

I'm all for JSL being unbanned.
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