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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 716 |
x-2023
is anyone going to X who is good with drives? i have a couple that are working but dont seem to be 100%. would be good if someone could take a look at them and maybe show me how to grease them up etc.
thanks
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Splatterhead/SCS*TRC
Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 10 |
Is there like a list of everyone who is attending the party this weekend? |
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Drees
Registered: Apr 2023
Posts: 5 |
Quote: is anyone going to X who is good with drives? i have a couple that are working but dont seem to be 100%. would be good if someone could take a look at them and maybe show me how to grease them up etc.
thanks
maestro
Maybe you should ask Marvin from the retro8bitshop - he brought some testing equipment and ofcourse loads of hardware :) |
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Drees
Registered: Apr 2023
Posts: 5 |
Quote: Is there like a list of everyone who is attending the party this weekend?
Check out: https://www.scs-trc.net/x2023/visitors or the CSDB Event Page. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4596 |
Quote: Check out: https://www.scs-trc.net/x2023/visitors or the CSDB Event Page.
That list on their homepage is not correct. It was the first register list, before they made the final one. Many on that list did not make it to the party, like myself :'( |
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TWW
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 541 |
Look @ the numbers. A lot of people (including myself) has disappeared from the list. |
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Drees
Registered: Apr 2023
Posts: 5 |
Oh no, sorry guys! :'( |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 343 |
I am glad my old dutch friends had another stormer of a party, yet again.
BUT groups holding back stuff. it's annoying in that respect. then having a shedload of releases
I think also if you are gonna put out work, be in *ONE* group now 2-4 of em..
sorry to be grumpy.. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks that way. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
Quoting chancer
BUT groups holding back stuff. it's annoying in that respect. then having a shedload of releases
I think also if you are gonna put out work, be in *ONE* group now 2-4 of em..
Whatever makes you upset, it is in you. Do not blame others for that or even try to tell them on how to behave. People live their creativity and have fun creating stuff in their sparetime. Be thankful for that crazy amount of demos and quality, it is a gift. |
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soci
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 473 |
Ah, there were years to plan and prepare all this stuff so no wonder on the quality. Not a chance if stared late.
Now I'm really interested in what's possible to do in a month? We'll hold Arok Party 2023 soon. Those looking for a real challenge are welcome to participate! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Holding back and strategically timing the release of your best work for your beloved scene friends and audience is truly remarkable. It's undeniably awesome. However, the only issue lies in the self-centered approach of the C64 scene (in this particular case). While we are indeed self-reliant and self-sufficient, capable of throwing an unforgettable party for ourselves, one can only imagine the impact it would have if monumental jaw-dropping productions like Mojo, Wonderland XIV, and Next Level (just to name a few that deeply resonated with me while watching the stream) were intentionally unveiled at major (cough) demoscene events like Revision. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
there's a few good reasons for not releasing at "major" parties :-)
a) the demo was anything but finshed back then
b) competing with all kind of different plattforms in a combined compo is not my cup of tea
c) and most important: I am pretty sure that the X audience is capable best to judge and see what also is going on on the technical side in a demo. So i am conviinced, i target way more people who deeply value such a release than on a major party. |
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Honcho
Registered: Apr 2020
Posts: 32 |
For me it’s your B) point Bitbreaker that’s the main one. I would never put in the effort we did with Mojo for a party that isn’t purely C64 as it simply wouldn’t get the right attention. Sure, smaller audience, yes, but at least one that understands the effort that’s gone into the production. And for us it wasn’t any “holding back”, most of the demo was done in the five months leading up to X with a clear aim for that particular party. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11116 |
How exactly is X not the major party, and how is it preferred to release on modern pc party with an oldskool sidekick? *puzzled* |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 501 |
Quoting GroepazHow exactly is X not the major party, and how is it preferred to release on modern pc party with an oldskool sidekick? *puzzled*
This. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quoting CreaMDone can only imagine the impact it would have if monumental jaw-dropping productions like Mojo, Wonderland XIV, and Next Level (just to name a few that deeply resonated with me while watching the stream) were intentionally unveiled at major (cough) demoscene events like Revision.
I can imagine: it would not even get close to the impact these demos have at X and the c64 scene.
X *is* one of the two/three major parties in the entire scene. Only revision is bigger and it has no focus on the C64, there are zero C64-only compos and amount of c64-visitors is very low at revision compared to X.
also, this is the weirdest post party thread ever. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: How exactly is X not the major party, and how is it preferred to release on modern pc party with an oldskool sidekick? *puzzled*
Hence the (cough) 😂😇 |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3034 |
Quote: Quoting CreaMDone can only imagine the impact it would have if monumental jaw-dropping productions like Mojo, Wonderland XIV, and Next Level (just to name a few that deeply resonated with me while watching the stream) were intentionally unveiled at major (cough) demoscene events like Revision.
I can imagine: it would not even get close to the impact these demos have at X and the c64 scene.
X *is* one of the two/three major parties in the entire scene. Only revision is bigger and it has no focus on the C64, there are zero C64-only compos and amount of c64-visitors is very low at revision compared to X.
also, this is the weirdest post party thread ever.
Don't worry, I'm not on the mission here. X is huge. Revision (and other) parties that turned all old to oldschool eintopf pretty much suck thanks to "trying to please everyone".
But still, we (The Scene) should either totaly ignore it, or make an organized creative assault.
Naah forget it, im pretty satisfied by having parties that are organised and visited by people I love and care about. And having just the categories and events that actually matter to me. |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 113 |
I didn't even know about other platforms until I read this thread. ;) thank you for raising my awareness. :) |
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TWW
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 541 |
Just in case someone wonder what was in Rob's little magic bag :)
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 167 |
A weird post-party discussion indeed. All I can say is that I'm glad all these magnificent proofs of skill (multi-group or not) were released at a dedicated party, to a dedicated audience, rather than being stuffed into an "oldschool" compo alongside accelerated Amigas and fantasy consoles, in between photo and finger painting compos. :) But can't please everyone, I guess. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
Thank you all! <3 Party was just... GAWD DAYMN! :D |
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Zierliches Püppchen
Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 14 |
Just like to say Thank u to the X-team for organizing that great party. Its was my second time, i had the chance to visit it, as the last one in 2018, i loved and breathed the atmosphere.
Great people, old like me and you with the same values and addiction. I was impressed by all that great entries, and the released stuff where just an perfect example of pure skill. Wow.
Hopefully 2024 will be a "Summer" Party with Sun and Outside activities too. Still sitting in my Office with a smile.
Perfect sleeping conditions, showers, food and beer. Great Compos. Wishless happy faced at home, still sorting my memorys. |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 198 |
What can I say?
That was such an amazing party, something that I'll remember very fondly for the rest of my life. I want to say a massive thanks to the entire orga team for looking after me so well and for delivering an incredibly slick event. Seriously, your efforts were absolutely not taken for granted. You are all heroes to me for making it all happen as you did.
It was a massive pleasure to finally meet so many scene legends and dear friends in person. I only wish that I could repay you all for your kindness - the C64 scene helped me to keep my brain's lights on through some really bleak and difficult times, so to enjoy all of those top-tier compos and live performances with friends, with the dark clouds of the pandemic largely diminished, was extremely gratifying. Thank you so much for including me, and let's make sure we do it all again next year! |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 500 |
I found it very soothing to be at X, the people and organizers are so relaxed, not stressed at all, it feels like family. , though all scaled to a larger size than ever before. People stick to the rules without the need to enforce. Tim was so relaxed that he had several occasions to have a nice chat with me. Thanks for allowing me to have 4! spicy meatballs! :-P People queued up with all necessary patience. The orgas reacted always with understanding and the focus on finding a solution to make us visitors happy. The bar team was always kind and helpful with drink selection and was giving a smile and funny comments. It all felt so grown up, easy and settled. I could have enjoyed that for many more days! Thanks for an excellent all-inclusive holiday in Someren <3 |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quoting Bitbreaker... People stick to the rules without the need to enforce. ... Thank you for calling this out, it is *key* to the atmosphere at X. It's like having a big party with close friends, of course you get very drunk, but you don't trash the place :)
Thank you very much for your kind words :) |
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Shogoon
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 18 |
What an amazing weekend! I'd like to thank the orgs for giving me an opportunity to play a concert in this special place for C64 scene. Thank You guys for chearing me up during my show. I felt your support and appreciation. I hope we will meet next year. <3 |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
Best Friday/Saturday/Sunday I've had in years! I love you all! See you at the next one! :D |
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El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 68 |
What Elko, Bitbreaker and Conrad said! Nothing to add! #best-c64-scene-event-ever
Thanks and see you next year!
Shocker/Onslaught^sidDivers |
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psych
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 140 |
All have been said already. Best party ever!
Looking at it from the time perspective and comparing improvements that party organizers made over the years is truly impressive. Everything is ideally on time, the voting system is awesome and even food has improved ;)
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you do for the scene and our beloved machine.
I can't wait to see all of you again and it's awesome that it will take just few months :) |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
I'm still in awe how great this was - on all levels.
Releases for sure :)
But also organisation (damn, I've yet to see a work related conference handled that well!) and on top of that organisators themselves!
And vistors - really family vibes (in the positive sense :).
As usual I wish I had dashed into some folks earlier (or at all) but no regrets - every minute was well spent! :)
Big thanks to everyone who contributed to this experience!
Cheers! |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 42 |
Now one day after I think Im ready to feel how truly great this party was! Let it sink in and give me some perspective.
Thank you so much for doing this. This weekend will be a weekend to remember for the rest of my life.
Meeting and talking to so many people. I almost feel regret I didn't manage to talk to more people. On Saturday I kind of felt exhausted of all the socialising tbh. We arrived in Amsterdam on Wednesday and had two night outs already. :)
Next time I will compress the weekend a bit more so I have more energy for the event itself.
As some already said, the orgas being so relaxed all weekend. Spending a long time talking to Tim, Burglar and several other and they never felt stressed out.
You really did GREAT!
What a show!
Thank you! |
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Nith
Registered: Jan 2013
Posts: 15 |
I absolutely feel like everyone else here, what an awesome party that was! I really enjoyed that positive and chilled mood all the people were in (the excellent weather might have contributed to that as well :)) including the organizers. For me being relatively new to the scene it was also great to meet some of my group mates personally for the first time but at the same time it felt like a big family event anyway, like enthusi said. So a big thanks to everyone making this possible, I'm already looking forward to coming to Someren again |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: |
This party was the installment of my personal Wonderland (and I'm not talking about the 14th issue of the Censor Demo which was great in itself for sure).
I witnessed a chat between Ninja and Enno (iirc) towards the end of the party, in which Ninja said that the c64 scene is the healthiest part of the whole demoscene. I had to rephrase it here because these words say everything and I absolutely second Ninja! @Ninja: hope you're ok with this "quote" ;)
So thanks to the orgas for doing not only the best X ever, but (for me) the best scene party ever since! And Thanks to everyone who was there, be it for contributing and/or chatting.
I need some more weeks to cope with all the feelings that X sparkled in me. Sooo glad it'll not take 2 more yrs for the next round. |
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Bacchus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 154 |
Having lost my X-virginity, that is the only thing lost - IT WAS A SMASHING HIT!
Truly glad I wasn't responsible for any actual work so that I could do the social part - really putting an effort into meeting as many people as I could. The concerts were great - I did miss Gideon's and Marcin's presentations, but I will see if they are available to see on a recording of the stream.
A few special moments; Susanna testing out LFT's theremin, the discussion between the GP team cracking Rubicon and The Sarge, hanging out with Rob at the museum - seeing him play Monty on the run on a piano there and then talking to him about Skate or Die in front of an actual copy to name but a few ...
Try stopping me from coming to the next one. (And PLEASE lure 1001 crew and The Judges to that one!).
/Bacchus |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11116 |
I cant say anything negative about this party ... EXCEPT!
THE SPICY MEATBALL DISCRIMINATION HAS TO STOP!!!! =D |
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YPS
Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 5 |
After a 5 year break, I was full of anticipation for the X Party and it was actually even better than I thought it could be. A very special weekend for me that I will always remember with joy. Thanks to everyone who participated and especially to the whole orga-team! |
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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 114 |
Rob Hubbard signed my lamp...
He asked me who it was, I told him that TREX are The Oldest Strongest Dinasaurs and he said he's one too. I asked him to join our group and he agreed but said he can't code anymore.
All in all an excellent party, and I can't believe I went to bed early on Friday as I wouldn't accept that Jeroen Tel would really show up at 2am |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 421 |
Quote: I cant say anything negative about this party ... EXCEPT!
THE SPICY MEATBALL DISCRIMINATION HAS TO STOP!!!! =D
If you need a witness, you know where to find me... ;) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quoting Bacchus... the discussion between the GP team cracking Rubicon and The Sarge ...
Snacky's timex system enhancements are still a work of art :)
Quoting BacchusTry stopping me from coming to the next one. (And PLEASE lure 1001 crew and The Judges to that one!).
They were actually present at X2016: Honey, TSI, Steve, Red and White afaicr :) |
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Case
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 138 |
I was sat with snacky all weekend, what a legend.
If anyone want to add to the party scroller, write you text and send to me in a PM by Sunday 11th. |
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Comos
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 71 |
Just for curiosity,any statistics regarding the beer consumption ? :) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
Quote: Just for curiosity,any statistics regarding the beer consumption ? :)
Way more than they had I guess. I just had the last of my X "backup beers" today. I know a couple of people who brought more backup and started drinking backup instead of going to the counter because of past X parties when the beer ran out. |
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Tim
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 74 |
Quote: Way more than they had I guess. I just had the last of my X "backup beers" today. I know a couple of people who brought more backup and started drinking backup instead of going to the counter because of past X parties when the beer ran out.
Beer ran out? There was only one X party where that happened and that even was after the compo in 2006 or 2008 iirc. |
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Tim
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 74 |
Quote: Just for curiosity,any statistics regarding the beer consumption ? :)
I am still waiting for an additional bill from the beer supplier. The counter is now at 4800 bottles and about 800 0.0%. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
So the counter is still rising? Suspicious ;-) |
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Rastah Bar
Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336 |
Quote: I am still waiting for an additional bill from the beer supplier. The counter is now at 4800 bottles and about 800 0.0%.
And those guys are allowed to vote? ;-) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quoting TimBeer ran out? There was only one X party where that happened and that even was after the compo in 2006 or 2008 iirc. yea, only once, at X2008 we ran out of beer at 6am on sunday morning, hardly an issue :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1289 |
To change the subject...
I've heard from someone that Rob said demos were surely fake and he questioned them running on a real C64. Was it a token of appreciation via disbelief? I hope so :D Anyone has more insight on this? |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 833 |
Quote: To change the subject...
I've heard from someone that Rob said demos were surely fake and he questioned them running on a real C64. Was it a token of appreciation via disbelief? I hope so :D Anyone has more insight on this?
I'd like to hear more details on this as well. :)
This party has clearly liberated him from the boring C64 gaming scene (*cough* L*m*ners *cough*) and he has now seen what the C64 can REALLY do. :)
btw, can someone upload the full interview on youtube? I missed the first 15 minutes due to attending Slajerek's Debugger seminar (which was also cool!) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quoting Conradbtw, can someone upload the full interview on youtube? https://scenesat.com/videoarchive/65611146-021c-11ee-931f-00505..
at around the 11:00 mark |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
Quote: To change the subject...
I've heard from someone that Rob said demos were surely fake and he questioned them running on a real C64. Was it a token of appreciation via disbelief? I hope so :D Anyone has more insight on this?
I've heard this but the fake part was not in my version, only that he asked if this or that demo runs un a real c64 |
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Tim
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 74 |
Quote: To change the subject...
I've heard from someone that Rob said demos were surely fake and he questioned them running on a real C64. Was it a token of appreciation via disbelief? I hope so :D Anyone has more insight on this?
I was sitting next to Rob during the demo compo. He noticed we were running the demos from a laptop and not straight from the C64. He called it cheating as it was like a cartridge upgrading hardware, etc.
Although I tried to explain the concept behind the Ultimate products and I mentioned that every release should be working on a stock C64 + DD he was kind of sceptic. I was probably too drunk and not able to explain it clearly in the heat of the moment.
I promised to send him some yt links with more info on the subject but I have not been able to do that. Besides he left after the final compo break as he was exhausted from meeting a great number of you. I believe that talking to other people is what motivated him most. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 226 |
On breakfast on sunday he said about the same to me aswell. To his belief demos should be loaded into c64 ram and executed from there with like sys49152.
He said we were streaming the demos from floppy like a movie. I tried to correct it the limited time of talk we had. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2071 |
So he simply digs one-filed demos, nothing wrong with that view =D |
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Viscid
Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 3 |
I updated the German and English Wikipedia article of Rob to have A recent picture of him. :) I think it shows his passion and fun. And remember: stop smoking! |
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TWW
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 541 |
Well, I can die in piece now at least :)
Whomever form the organizers who assisted with the connect, many thanks.
AND, also forgot to say earlier; Kickass party, everything as it should be. Special thanks to the organizers for making last minute adaptations to handle the new type of sceeners :) |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
Thanks for great party, if you missed my "NOT ONLY BLACK BOX - Cartridges developed in Poland" lecture then I just finished editing it:
https://youtu.be/RM0j191FAXA
Fortunately I did record it on my own because it looks like it was not saved by video team.
BTW how is it possible to upload photos to this: https://www.scs-trc.net/gallery/ ? |
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Lord Crucifier
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 47 |
Looking at the X nametag hanging here, I remember one request for next time:
USE A BIG FONT SIZE FOR THE HANDLES! :-)
We're old farts, reading a 16px name on a nametag a meter away, dancing on a fat belly, makes it hard to read. I wanna see who's who from 3 meters distance so I know whether to swoon at the elite or scoff at the lame! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
Quote: Looking at the X nametag hanging here, I remember one request for next time:
USE A BIG FONT SIZE FOR THE HANDLES! :-)
We're old farts, reading a 16px name on a nametag a meter away, dancing on a fat belly, makes it hard to read. I wanna see who's who from 3 meters distance so I know whether to swoon at the elite or scoff at the lame!
seconded, I dont see shit even in glasses :) |
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TWW
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 541 |
Quote: seconded, I dont see shit even in glasses :)
The problem was more like remebering :D |
