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2006-02-11 09:26
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VIC pointing at RAM char set in bank 2

Hi everybody,
I need some help with programmable char sets. Using VIC bank $8000-$bfff, I want to display a char set put into RAM at $9000-$9fff (register $d018 bits set as: xxxx010x). The problem is that the VIC uses the ROM memory instead, so only the standard CBM characters apper. Using another RAM position (i.e.: $d018 bit set as: xxxx001x) gives no problem and my char set is displayed.

Is there any way to make the VIC point for char set at RAM instead of ROM at $9000-$9fff?

thanx,
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2006-02-24 14:42
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mmmh, I thought that this "limitation" concearned only the character pointing. In fact the programmer's reference guide warns about this only in the table regarding the usage of the LSB of the register $d018. But probably I interpreted wrong.

One question: why this "limitation"? Couldn't the VIC engineers have design it in such a way that the VIC could be set by software the see the whole RAM in all banks? After all it is quite easy to go to the Ultimax mode by hardware, why not do it by software?

Hi Yago, yes coding a small project I have in mind, but too little resourses for plain C64...probably that's why I like it: the less resources I have, the more I am forced to use my brains!!! Optimization, optimization, optimization...fast loaders, packers, RAM squeazing, good and optimized code, coordination between interrupts! that's the coding on the C64 for me!
But family first now, my coding project is evolving soooo slow!!!
2006-02-24 14:51
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Optimization, optimization, optimization...fast loaders, packers, RAM squeazing, good and optimized code, coordination between interrupts! that's the coding on the C64 for me!


That goes for every C=64 coder :)

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2006-02-24 16:04
Tch
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@Ready: Do you want to use it for FLI?
2006-02-24 16:12
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No I want to display in sequence many screens, with user-defined charsets, in order to give the idea of movement.
2006-02-24 16:35
Tch
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Ah,okay.
You´ll have to do with 4 screens less then,not to mention the char-loss.
I know it sucks.. ;)
2006-02-24 17:23
Cruzer

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This is usually not a big problem I think, since you need somewhere to put your code, music etc. anyway. Most music players are located in $1000-$1fff, and then you can use $9000-9fff for code, tables, etc., which by the way usually fills up more.
2006-02-25 02:59
Graham
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@ready: No, the Commodore engineers could not have done this in a way that only charset data is affected. The address decoding is done by the PLA, and how should the PLA known why a certain memory address is read?
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