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Bamu®
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Which 6581 revision...
Hi!
Which -> 6581 <- revision sounds best? Which one has the best sounding filters?
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I had a c64 with old sid for many many years. And I hated the lamely sounding tunes on my friends c64s.
later I got used to the new sid. Now I say it sounds better. To me oldsid has an oldschool sound :)
So its simply a matter of taste, and what r u used to. |
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Intensity
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 337 |
I also prefer the 8580. The new waveforms and the special filter cut offs are a must for me since I am Trance-Musician. :D |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Quote: teh emulatar users speaks about which sid sounds da best. /me laughs!
;) Laugh away... How'd you know we're "emulator users" all of us?..
Well. shit.. you got me Murdock, I apologize.. I don't know which sid version/revision is the best!.. I just know that the SID is the best... Eh.. yeah!.. Oh, and 6581 was the original one that I used back in the old days, so the replacement (read: 8580) must be a fake and degenerated sid. ;)
(No flaming guys.. I hate it.. I'm made of snow!)
I hate the fact that there the 8580 can do stuff the 6581 can't do.. It annoys me - what's the reason for this?.. Someone must have had a brainfart when they desided to update the 64!
Peace!
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Yodelking
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 189 |
I agree that C-64 music sounds a lot different on real SIDchips compared to emulated SID, but saying that you're not a scener because the use of emulator is rather ridiculous. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
And once again Murdock goes forward with his god sword, hacking down lamers!
What chip is best ?
Probably the one you used the most.
Once you're turned, there's no way back.
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Quote:SIDDER: fuck you! you even are not a real scener so stick up into your emulator baybe.
We all real sceners started from something. Alot of composers used others tunes to compose their own or simply to learn how to compose. But of course you don't know that because you are not into real scene (and also HVSC doesn't mention about that sadly for you).
Mention what? That Sidder uses an emulator to compose? Does he? Does that make him less a scener than you are? Are you the one to decide who's a scener or not? And who would give a wet fart anyway?
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about HVSC and the scene in general. We're just a bunch of collectors trying to collect sids and preserve a little bit of C= history. We're not defenders of anyone's whacked scene ethics. And you just put your foot in it once more and proved your ignorance, just when people thought you'd be probably halfway grown up now... |
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Bamu®
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Ooooh nooo! I didn't want the usual discussion about 6581 Vs. 8580. :-(
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
Nata: It just had to be this way, I'm afraid. :)
I guess not many of us have enough experience to tell the differences between 6581 revisions, while that's a wider available entertainment to discuss 6581 vs. 8580. |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
6851 are just soooo different among various production series , not only revisions , so there is no direct answer to your question. we may consider 8580 as great update to this issue as there is no noticable difference beetwen 8580s, maybe except some series capable of playing digis loudly - like 6581 (I had c64 1991 with BN/E board and 8580 playing digis loud and my dying 1988 128Dcr can do loud digi also with his 8580r5) .
If I remeber properly from c64 schematics... the resistor connected to AUDIO_IN used with 6581 was removed with 8580 (and about 200-400k resistor connected beetwen AUDIO_IN and GND with 8580 is known as digi boost) ... maybe it was just the mod which removed the volume change click and just disallowed loud digis?
one tune by Booker came to my mind - he composed it on real 6581r4 (ar?) and as I suppose his chip is so strange that it sounds rather close to 8580 . you may hear this in his "Are You Satisfied ? (idleness)" tune. I have OGG recording from his sid chip if anyone is interested.
comment from that stream:
"A preview of this tune was sent to www.c64.sk SID COMPO 4. Funny that I had to spread it as written in 8580 because reSID played filters at too low frequency with some icking, but originally it has been made with 6581R4. This tune has been recorded from my C-64, therefore you might notice a background noise generated by originall VIC & SID chips." |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
I think musicians should limit themselves to tunes consiting of only simple beep sounds and white noise drums. Then they gotta sound the same on all SID chips. :o) |
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