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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83 |
Emulator Awareness Campaign - your help needed
Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,
I want your help and support for an idea I had when I saw the emufuxxor of Krill/Plush a year or so ago.
The Emulator Awareness campaign.
In a nutshell, it is a small program that you can link to any release (or allow it to load the main part) that will show a "nag screen" in emulators, explaining that the user is using an emulator and has to be aware of the experience he will get not being the real thing.
This can prevent a lot of wrong criticism and bug reports, and, at least in our book, is a more mature and efficient way to deal with the emulator phenomena than not caring about "emulamers".
Read about it here:
http://www.cupid.de/eac/
What I need from you now, is a list of problems that emulators have, what bad experience users get and that there is not a way around them for the developer.
This data will be used to fill the "where emulators fail" section on the site, which will be featured in the nag screen.
Thanks for your attention, flame away
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
The most annoying thing about emulators I think is that it just doesn't look like the real thing. On a real c64 it all blends together and looks both bigger and less blocky than on an emulator, where it's small and looks like Lego bricks.
It's like seeing a real sunset compared to a picture of a sunset. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
@Werner: that means they'll have to code a nagscreen-protection so you won't be able to remove it? :)
@Dane: I'll stop reading New X-Men in serial anyway, and wait until the trades to decide. I'd rather spend my money on Morrison's new DC stuff.
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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83 |
Quote: okay :) It starts again.
I think adding nag-screens is childish. very much so. Emulators are very very very very useful. It saves a lot of time when I can use crosscompilers. Also I don't have to walk around carrying 100 disks whenever I got to my groupmates to work on a demo.
it's fast, easy and always there on my laptop.
that does not mean I don't like the real thing better...
short : don't add nag screens... If I like a production, I'll remove the nag screen if I have to (hurrah! cracking relives!!)
Reading is a hard thing to do it seems.
Noone forces you to add the nag screen, you can do it if you want to make people aware of what they see in emulators is not the real thing. You can also remove the nag screen in a demo you like, we don't give a fuck.
What you fail to see is that this is an idea to _promote_ emulators, and stop all those "emulators suck" zionists.
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274 |
if you put the effort of creating such crap into some new demo project then it would help a lot more.
fuck it, if I like to watch a demo in emulator, hey then I do it and I dont really care for childish crap like emufaxxor or whatever that crap was named.
I guess most of us are old enough to know that nothing beats the real thing anyways but emulation is not a crime!
It is totally nonsense to waste energy on stuff that none cares about. if you dont like your stuff emulated on pc then just dont produce anything...
this shittalk over and over again sucks donkey dick.
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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83 |
And in the time you used posting about that here, you could have produced 20 new demos aswell. Don't try to tell me how to waste my time, the emufuxxor code is there, the web site took me 30 minutes and that is all the work we need. Using this _could_ shut up all the people complaining about emulators and refuse to do stuff for it, therefor your outburst is totally useless.
Noone forces you to use it, it is a nice to have. And I rather spend half an hour on an idea like that than make another logo for a release that "will soon come" and never arrives.
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
Well, I'd recommend something simple and general like "You are running on an emulator. Video/audio experience may not correspond to a real C64, and there may be execution bugs. Please consider running this production on a real C64 before forming an opinion."
If specific downsides of emulators are listed, it can turn into a disinformation contest, and may be funny later as emulators improve in some respects, or some downsides are simply nonexistent. For example, CCS64 on DOS can have smooth scrolling and doesn't have noticeable audio delay.
Btw. are bad reviews/comments/flames of demos because of emulator bugs an actual, real, and serious problem? |
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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83 |
Full ACK cadaver, no need to go into details, this is what the page is for.
And this one will stay pretty generic aswell. Much in the vein of "known problems are:"
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Intensity
Account closed
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 337 |
Yes? Still waiting... :) |
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Cupid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 83 |
Intensity WTFAYBOA?
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Intensity
Account closed
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 337 |
In earnest, i don't dislike the idea about linking that kind of a message to a c64-production. Especially when it comes to SID-Emulation which is not perfect yet on an emu. I wouldn't like it when people rate my music on an emu while it is the real c64 and a new SID model that will play my tunes with 100% quality (Have I said quality? Uh...)
But...
1. Could the creator of an emulator learn how to avoid those linked messages and built in an option named "Avoid Nag Screens"?
2. Don't we trust in C64-Emulation on a PC or are we just too unpatient that we want to introduce nag screens, since Emulators WILL be able to emulate the c64 in all ways 100% one day (it will take a long time, maybe some years, but I believe that they *will* reach it to emulate a c64 for 100% in the next future) ?
Just some points to think about.
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