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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Proposed rule change
I would like to propose a rule change. If an admin is involved in posting in a thread they are not allowed to use their admin powers to delete posts, issue warnings or lock threads. This would help stop the situations where an admin who loses an argument can abuse their powers to remove the posts they personally disagree with.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
the last (i was referring to anyway) was about the costs of csdb and/or who pays for it. which has little to nothing to do with wether the site is private or not.
and before i even consider disagreeing with anyone claiming this site isnt private i'd like to hear whose definition of something beeing public or private he is referring to. if it isnt the laws definition that is (and i am pretty sure that even according to most local laws the site wouldnt be public at all. no i am not going to google for you.)
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Quoting Groepaz(at this point the thread should be closed because it is moving in circles anyway. i have learned to leave that for another moderator though.)
Circles... Right. Time to bring it back on track.
Do you have any counter to the proposal in the orignal post?
At the moment it looks like most people think it is a sensible suggestion. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote:the last (i was referring to anyway) was about the costs of csdb and/or who pays for it. which has little to nothing to do with wether the site is private or not.
err no, the WHOLE subject of privacy came about when Communist or someone said the site was private and Martin mentioned he'd donated.. That's what kicked this whole thing off, jsut because it didn't get mentioned for 5 minutes doesn't mean it's not relevant. To other people, donation to a site has a lot to do if it's private. As I say, we'll never agree.. enough..
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
read my original answer, its not practical. ask someone who is moderator in some other forum if you want to know why and what i wrote is not enough for you.
also, the whole thing is largely blown out of proportions. there is no moderator problem regarding deleted posts and closed threads at all. in every other webforum i know there is more deleted and censored and closed in a week than we do here in an entire year.
and sometimes mistakes happen, big deal.
my proposal would be: go make a demo about it!
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Quoting Groepazread my original answer, its not practical. ask someone who is moderator in some other forum if you want to know why and what i wrote is not enough for you.
Saying "it is not practical" without supporting argument is a weak argument. Given that I've explained exactly how it can be implemented then I think the onus is on you to provide something substantive.
Actually most of the other forums I frequent have very similar rules to the one I proposed, specifically to stop this very situation under discussion from happening.
So all those boards think it is practical. This is exactly why I proposed it here because it would help improve this board.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
it is impractical for a similar reason for why a single moderator (or admin, which is indeed something entirely different, moderators do not have admin powers :)) can entirely on his own and for himself (even if temporary) ban a user instead of eg requiring the entire team to vote and decide (which however, is still needed to place a permanent ban) - which is reaction time. and atleast from my experience the vastly increased reaction time does generate more problems than the few mistakes it might help to avoid are worth. so basically with such a rule, you handle some problems better and others worse. and at this point we are where the personal preferences of what problems someone is willing to deal with come into play. and back to why those who run a site usually also impose the rules. |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
You're not talking about the same thing so the comparison is invalid. The point is your action was rash because you acted too quickly. The point being to stop that in the future. Which is why the other sites implement something similar. |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
I usually don't take part in those threads - mostly because it usually starts because one or two persons whine about a decission a moderator made.
Keep in mind noone force you to use the site. It's people own choice - if they don't like the way people administrate the site then don't use it. Alot of people already left over the years, because of these kind of threads appears from time to time.
I can only repeat what I said before: Find old sceners, find out if they got disks, get them transferred. This will keep you busy. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:You're not talking about the same thing so the comparison is invalid. The point is your action was rash because you acted too quickly. The point being to stop that in the future. Which is why the other sites implement something similar.
i was talking about a very similar thing. and preventing to act quickly in the future is exactly what will cause other problems. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
First of all, thanks to Groepaz for at least trying to put his personal issues aside
and come forward with some reasonable arguments instead of resorting to sarcasm and elitism :-D
While i understand the need to "act quickly" when circumstances require it,
i still think martin has a point. |
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