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2013-02-16 10:45

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

demos

READ WITH CARE AND WITH OPEN MIND:

Based on Revolved and demos like that - really great demos... but...

It is truly a beauty of a demo you have created and the hours, work and cleverness behind it must be massive!!!... Can I go beyond the normal standards here? OK? Cool... I just want to ask the c64 scene something that I really think so much about... what are we? What are the scene? Where do we want to be or where do we want to go? What if we become the producers of the all loving and polished no to argue and nothing to complain about? what is the scene then... I think this demo show some super powers in making something run smooth and so seamingless and so splendid... but where is the hard-on? Where is the humor? Where is the fun and loving bits? Where is the contrasts? Where is the black and white? Where is the FUN? When should I smile with sound and when should I cry? I meen this demo is so cool and a great piece til revolved logo is on screen and then the next effect is also cool.... then a line makes a splitt and the demo is insane cool... but after that... what is it really? For me it is people trying to make something that everyone will think is really great. It is so well made this demo so I am on thin ground here and I see that because I see the demo over and over and over again and I just envy the transition power in here and the colors and the fades and all but to me it is really mostly that... the plasma over the char squares are great also.... then the portrait part with the rotating letters, beautiful.... but so without sole... then the best part of the demo comes the rotating stuff.... from here and in it is for me just smooth moves and really beutiful work... but what I really ask is: Is this it? Is that what we are aiming for? The sphere movers are ofcourse beautiful and so cool...everything is really splendid in the demo!!! That is why I try to write this post as true as possible... how many demos like this will it take to kill our scene? We are part of something that we love and we love it because we are part of something that is NOT mainstream... so why do we push the productions to be mainstream? I meen, this is a fantastic demo, it really is and congratulations for the win, I really meen that and I hope you all can read my text in a way that is not hate, not bad or not silly, because I really meen this... Are we not men with our edge anymore? If we want to do the all perfect stuff for all humans on the planet earth, are we then not on the wrong platform??... I want to say something, want you to smile, to cry and to die because it is silly or so hard to grasp... I do not want to make smooth powerpoints with a cool sid tune on top... The cool DANE tune saves this demo even more for me even the demo in itself is so great... but the greatness is not the best for me... can I say this without beeing the worst arse in the scene? In a way I know my powers in making demos and also I know that we can make the transitions and make all blend so great but that is just not fun to do so again super thanx for your time on that, how many demos more would you like to do that on? ...maybe I just am all wrong but to me it is about effects and making some insane things on this machine and not just press the gausian blur button in photoshop and make it be so that everyone likes it... what about make someone puke... make them hate your demo... make them love it... make them be filled with anger... make them cry out of emotions, just a text like my text in Another beginning with the man in the window, it is me, give from yourself, make us beleive, make the viewers be filled with moods in different orders... make a rollercoaster ride... you do not want to go to transition world, what we want is the contrasts that shake us up a bit? the different stuff? the black and white? For me it is so...

I really think our scene will die if we try to make more and more and more transition based demos, I really do think so... I really think it is getting a tad booooooring as fuck now too... AND the worst, one do fun stuff creating a routine, then one must do all that in such a great way after? It is like wasshing the car with a thoothbrush for me in a way... I just do not think it is any fun, do all you others out there love to sit and do fades and transitions more than the effects itself? Do you? because I want to know? Can we just make us be shocked more, feel love more, feel hate more, feel joy more.... Today it is so smooth and it is so nice and it is so cool but it is our death, just because we are so great at what we do so it gets boring in the long run... we have been in this scene for so long, let us try to talk about this? I know bepp and we are so great friends when it comes to demo creating and let us face it... we are the super democreators(we are the ones, we are the c64 scene and we are the strongest because I love jan, I love bob, I love mahoney... I love to mobb lars... and so on, they love me back in a way that I can feel in my life, it is totally great, we are family you see, we are the weird ones, the ones doing this, we are great!) still beating the life in something strange and do me a favour and not let me have a hard time here... I think it is the perfect demo to post this on because I, you and all know this is a insane great demo... you won and it is great... I salute you... Ask the coders, would it be cool to make the effects and not all the transitions? And will we break the hardware more than what we do... we need to do that... in my mind! I am just a fool, but you know what? I stand for me, I stand tall above normal, abnormal... and I ask... what do we do in order to make this scene really be something for us to have in the next 30 years too... we are the best in the world at what we do... Triad - you made a fantastic demo... I just want to use the time to make a disqussion about the lot...

I want to be in the old peoplehome and do c64 demos... with transitions that will not hapen! With edge and striking moodsetters that might happen!

just me, PAL

2013-02-16 11:41

Almighty God

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 18

mmmmh, really it's a extrange post. And you have the question and you have your own answer to it with "another begining". I think that the greatest of it is that we can have
both and both and different styles are great and both are necesary in da scene, I love transitions demos and I love others too, both can be as great. Scene is all of that. Probably after Booze Designs great work that we all know a new age for transitions demos start as they push all of us up... But I think that "Another begining" prove that it's not all about transitions... Yin and Yang both are necesary to me enjoy the scene... And I do not really see your complain or way to see this. Do not think to much, enjoy...

2013-02-16 11:46

wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513

Open mind? Here you go.

This is a matter of taste.

I prefer more abstract demos like Revolved which are closer to art and what is in my heart, than 'fun' demos with just quotes from movies & pop culture, and personal references which make them 'disconnected' for those that are not in 'teh club' - yes, I am talking about your demos, PAL. I believe there are more people into art and abstract in the scene, they just get jammed down by the rest. But we are there.

I also like demos which have something to say, but these are rare nowadays, we used to have demos about serious subjects, now it's mostly friendly, safe, nice, childish, cool. And (shamelessly stolen quote) cool is only 3 letters away from fool. And the fact that you cannot critisize each other anymore without being spit at - that's fucking weak.

So, like I said before, matter of taste. We have different, I think you need to accept it. But at the moment you start rant like this... sorry, man. Most of the reasons you put down are just the reasons why I am not a fan of Offence demos, and I like the 'soulless' (sic!) demos you don't.

2013-02-16 12:12

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

tl;dr, I just do demos the way I like 'em, and enjoy the demos others do in different ways. People are always complaining that I don't do huge trackmos full of design and transitions, but I'm just not that much into that. For me each routine counts as its own, no matter if it's in a big production or not. But I think it's nice that others make the big, consistens art-demos, cuz then I don't have to. :)

2013-02-16 12:21

null
Account closed

Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645

Dude, just make your demos however the fuck you like.

You're never going to be able to please everyone, and you really should be making them for yourself in the first place.

2013-02-16 12:23

Sander

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 493

I think i agree. We need more authenticity.
But eventhough some are capable of doing that, the scene has also been about 'winning'.

The idea of a mainstream demo is quite a dynamic one, it changes throughout the years. Some punks with balls will shed a new light every now and then, which affects the mainstream direction a bit.

I don't think it's a dead end, no need to worry. Be innovative and authentic.

(Imho Revolved is a summary of popular demos from the last decade, crafted with care and class. Nothing to downplay on that one.)

2013-02-16 12:36

Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639

I definitely agree from an artistic perspective, and I promise that enough people are going to hate our next demo for the scene to keep going a few days longer.

2013-02-16 12:41

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

I love the Triad demo, just so that all know that... I really love it! I am talking about the direction of demos... It is like the parts of Kriburst, if I help him it get polished and there is less edge left... In fact I struggle with this a lot... because one can always do more - but it get so smooth and in the end it is just less... When I make presentations I just drop all the vipes, but the next bloke has all these smooth vipes on in powerpoint... but mine is often more effective with the hard punsh cut, people tend to respond. I can see their heads move, their eyes stare and so on... What I say is that most movies hold scenes, they work hard on every shot like a demopart or effect, then they cut between them, they do not fade move and transition all the time because it outplays its role and gets very smooth and just a blur in the end... I like this disqussion, and it were never ment as a rant or a setup for our demos beeing better or anything like that... I just feel that when one use more time on the things between the effects than on the effects it gets a bit weird in a way.

2013-02-16 12:48

Almighty God

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 18

"the things between the effects" it's not and own bit of code effect or chalenge linking things smooth and properly, maybe you should see it from a coder point of view.

2013-02-16 13:32

v3to

Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150

i like variety. easy as that. imo there is no perfect demo, there are too much ways to show what can be made with a limited machine. and it is always a compromise.
i love revolved and i also love trick and treat. cannot say which one is really better, because they are too different in concept. and also hope that the c64scene won't do the same consistence-styleguide-orgy (with few exceptions) like the pc scene. if this would ever happen i am sure things will get boring.

2013-02-16 14:17

Mixer

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 447

Make demo, any demo. Keep scene alive. Infinite diversity in infinite configurations. Personally, I am motivated by new tech stuff, not so much the art approach.

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