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Slartibartfast
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Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 230 |
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Well, there has been a few of these notices today, on certain Protovision releases that have been cracked and released by some people on CSDb.
Cracking has always been a large part of the scene, arguably the biggest and also what has ultimately ensured the scene to exist today.
If it weren't for cracking, piracy if you will, many games simply wouldn't be available on the web today. The C64dtv wouldn't have much of a lineup, all the games on it were cracks from the scene.
Now this issue has come to CSDb again, over old releases of Protovision games. Download links removed, to files which are definitely a part of the scene.
I can understand the policy on this, it's a way to protect CSDb against legal action. Other sites, for instance GB64, have tackled this by not hosting the files and just providing links to them.
But CSDb won't allow even that, if someone has an issue with their copyrighted work being available, the links will be removed. Even links provided by the user in their comment to the entry, will be censored and removed.
There is nothing regarding this policy in the CSDb FAQ, yet there is this disclaimer:
"Who's responsible for this?
We cannot take responsibility for the content of this database as all information is submitted by users."
So, that says straight out that CSDb is not responsible for the content.
It can be said that this is a way to protect CSDb in future, but from whom exactly? Can anyone honestly see Chronosoft or Protovision sueing anyone? Or if this is a measure to protect CSDb, could it go further and remove all cracks from the site?
On the other hand, CSDb are just trying to protect themselves, from Protovision apparently. Should we take the old debate over piracy directly to Protovision? As sceners themselves, they should know better than to be taking on this issue against sceners. Don't we all know by now that the people who would download these cracks, are not the same people that would buy it? That some of the people that get the game for free may even consider buying it at a later point?
One of the Protovision founders was a cracker himself, other members have been crackers, swappers or undoubtedly recipients of pirated software themselves.
This seemed to start with Macgyver altering a release of a PTV game here yesterday. A member of Protovision and also a CSDb admin. He was a swapper in the past.
Is this censorship really necessary? Do Protovision really think they would lose sales of these games, does CSDb really think there is any threat of legalities from an admin of this site?
This is an issue that strikes deep with many in the scene, and this site is an essential part of the scene today.
Surely there must be a better way to deal with this.
So let's discuss it here rather than in comments on these censored releases ;) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: CreaMD: doesn't justify anything. Your ignorant and disrespectful (and seem to get on most people's nerves).
Respect is not a fixed thing. Either it stays or it disappears. You are generalising, but that's not the first time you have done it in my case. And, you can call me ignorant or anything else, but I won't agree with you over the cracking of 2000+ made games. It's 2005. it's different situation than 15 years ago. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
CreaMD: I'm not just speaking about games. Anyway, go write a webpage or something. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
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And that's how it is with some ex-sceners. Not many of them. I met only few in my life. They would maybe maintain their well deserved respect and appreciaton forever, only if they didn't "open their mouth"...
thats an interesting view on the scene, that respect and apprecation is based on what you say and not what you do/have done. Seems like you have the same problem as macgyver, with his talk about people "showing their real faces"
I think its fully possible to appreciate a persons efforts on the scene, even if he has a different opinion on some subject, or just happens to be a jerk in general.
But thats just me..
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
Turnips taste good with cheese, as long as you dont add turnips or cheese.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: Quote:
And that's how it is with some ex-sceners. Not many of them. I met only few in my life. They would maybe maintain their well deserved respect and appreciaton forever, only if they didn't "open their mouth"...
thats an interesting view on the scene, that respect and apprecation is based on what you say and not what you do/have done. Seems like you have the same problem as macgyver, with his talk about people "showing their real faces"
I think its fully possible to appreciate a persons efforts on the scene, even if he has a different opinion on some subject, or just happens to be a jerk in general.
But thats just me..
Exactly it's fully possible to appreaciate persons efforts on the scene even when he has different opinions on some subjects or happens to be a jerk in general. T
The argue is about different opinions and behaviour. We don't discuss Crossfire's past releases here. If we did I wouldn't have a single word against them. Even before we met in CSDB I recognised him as the one of the most important crackers of the "post commercial" C64 era and considered all that recracking affair around him unimportant. Actually I still think he did awesome stuff in past. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
CreaMD: I guess in your case it is easy to forget your past then.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Jazzcat I don't have any problem with that. It's in the eye of beholder... |
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Crossfire
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 221 |
Quote: CreaMD: doesn't justify anything. Your ignorant and disrespectful (and seem to get on most people's nerves).
Kids are like that these days - funny how that compares to real life really, teenagers also disrespect their parents, totally forgetting that they wouldn't be around if it wasn't for their parents.. Ofcourse, luckily, most of them grow a brain as they get older..
Just a thought...
But honestly CreaMD, calling someone a jerk just because he has other views on things than yourself? Come on.. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: Kids are like that these days - funny how that compares to real life really, teenagers also disrespect their parents, totally forgetting that they wouldn't be around if it wasn't for their parents.. Ofcourse, luckily, most of them grow a brain as they get older..
Just a thought...
But honestly CreaMD, calling someone a jerk just because he has other views on things than yourself? Come on..
Sorry I forgot to put that quote of Hollowman's into the brackets. Although I must admit that I probably found the end of that sentence devilishly satisfactory. I'm really sorry for that. And you are right, children should respect their parents. Kids should respect elderly. And even apprentices their techers (maybe) ;-). I sometimes have argue with my mother but with the rest of my relatives it's quite okay. Unfrotunately (?), we aren't in any of those relationships. |
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Earthshaker
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 118 |
Quote: Kids are like that these days - funny how that compares to real life really, teenagers also disrespect their parents, totally forgetting that they wouldn't be around if it wasn't for their parents.. Ofcourse, luckily, most of them grow a brain as they get older..
Just a thought...
But honestly CreaMD, calling someone a jerk just because he has other views on things than yourself? Come on..
Now you are really becoming an old man.
Should i get you walking stick? ;) |
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