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2004-08-17 12:48

CyberBrain
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Posts: 392

Group id #913 : Success

There seems to be some different oppinions about the history of "success". I've been asked several times remove the comments and to clear it up, but since i don't really know anything about the history of success, i can't judge who are right.

So i've moved the comments from the success-record to this topic instead, in hope that those of you who know anything will participate in the discussion, so we can find the truth.

To sum it up: The Arrogance is maintainer of the success-record in CSDb. Raiden believes that what The Arrogance wrote at this record is wrong. The Arrogance doesn't think it's wrong.

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2004-08-20 11:22

Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461

heh Im still trying to find Illusion stuff from 89/90/91 - and thats a tough one.

@Trap: great to see you here

2004-08-21 05:31

The Arrogance

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 36

Raiden, you're really asking questions, where no questions have to be asked at all... you're getting exactly that much attention from me that is needed to point out that what you're trying to make the people believe, is simply not true, wherever you might have got your information from. It is wrong. Definitly. And by the way, wasn't it you to write at the Success-Record, that it is not containing the truth and the ones that have written it should be liars ?! Focus must be set on your statement, that i should be a liar, that is just following some selfish reasons. Forget about my gracefully failed past ?! Dude, what the hell are you talking about, Richard ?! Just in case, that i may follow your assumptions about things i don't have the slighest idea about right now.

Instead of blowing insults out of my mouth... Raiden, did you actually check your last entry in this Forum ?! Because if you would have done so, you might have recognized, that it is actually YOU who is always leaving a certain polite level just to attack me with all those empty phrases about having some serious problem and being in need of professional help and so on.. tough i never had any problem with conversations on such a low level, as all the people talking to me in that way, did never know jackshit about me personally and therefore couldn't harm me, whatever they tried to pull against me! So, maybe YOU should stop advising me to read local newspapers to find help getting back into real life, as this is simply pathetic and childish. And knowing that you must have almost reached the age of 40, it is even more senseless. Try to communicate like an adult would do, will you ?!

Raiden, it might be your very own decision to compare any scener to whomever you want to, but please, don't come up with any comparisation about me. You want to know why ?! Easy, because you don't know anything about me.. nothing at all! You did neither talk to me personally at anytime, nor did we ever trade anything. So, what is it you could compare me with to anyone else ?! Calling me looking gayish in your opinion is ridiculous anyway, because just like i already pointed out, you don't and didn't know anything about me at all, just like i did never ever waste a single thought about you either, you were simply not existing for me after all, as i have never heard of you before. Therefore i get the feeling that it is you who is following some uncertain trace about someone he had a problem with back then in late 1988 or 1989.. maybe Thorsten or someone else being on your conferences, i don't know, and if it was me, hell i could care less, as all this happened 15 years ago.

I can easily tell you what i felt after stepping closer to the socalled zenith of your identity. You were calling me being the only one that is still struggling for for his selfish personality, but than asking me how i would feel, now after i would have steeped closer to the zenith of your identity ?! Well, i think i don't have to repeat the definition of a big-headed-ego here, do i ?! The zenith of your identity... tzzzz.... get real. And before forgetting it aswell: Do not dare to threat me either. Neither in real life, nor anywhere else.

You are wrong, of course i am willing to correct irregular memories, if someone might bring up facts combined with proofs saying so, but surely not, if someone like you comes up with assumptions and all the proofs he got is the word that i should be a liar. This is kiddie-stuff i am not willing to participate.. and just to let you know, it never was my intention to find any information about people who do not want their information to be find, but don't even try to make that example being valid for you, as it was you, who was trying to bore me with his socalled importance and i would be the only one who would not know who you are. Furthermore, it was you aswell, who tried to make some bells ring with the comment, that he was a former member of Dominators PC and Class PC, weren't you ?!

Looking at my words from upstairs of the building ?! Is it any obligation for you to always use these empty phrases ?! Raiden, again, repeating myself, no problem, i will keep your name and your history out of whatever if you will stop manipulating my and my groups history in return. Easy as that, isn't it ?! And you can be more than sure, i am definitly not spotting at your history with jealousy, as i do not know anything about your socalled benefits to the scene anyway and therefore again it does not make any sense at all to complain about me not likeing you or your past..

Off for some work,
T.

P.S. Just wrote a message to CyberBrain already, mentioning that the fact about the 4 Sharks members (Stet, Tanner, TJ and Splash) leaving The Sharks can be read in the scrolltext of the Success Release "Captain Fizz" (available here at CSDb) from early September 1989.

Furthermore a complete Success-Memberlist can be read in "Faith" (available at CSDb), released at 16.09.1989. There you won't find neither MCA nor Roy in the memberlist. Of course not, as they weren't members of the group.

And as a last effort, i have found and uploaded the original -Success Story!- File from 04.09.1989, that was spread with the very first Success-Spread-Disk from September 1989!

And CyberBrain, don't get me wrong, but this Forum turns out to look like some cheap Quiz-Show.. asking everyone to contribute his assumption about a certain group's history. Therefore the whole idea with its good meant intention already slipped out of your hands.. just see for an example, i would never dare to make up any assumption about Ilusion's or Dominator's history, just because i cannot know.. how could i dare, not being a member of the group at anytime ?! Maybe you should just face the fact, that someone being part of the group since the very first day and therefore being a serious source, cannot be set on the same level like a source Raiden is for a group he has never been part of. Just think about it.

2004-08-21 05:40

The Arrogance

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 36

I guess what Jesper meant was the start of the cooperation between Success and X-Ray, as this would fit into the time Sonny and him left Success.

Anyway, Hi Jesper, nice to read you here! ;o)

Regards,
T.

2004-08-21 07:01

TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879

Quote: I guess what Jesper meant was the start of the cooperation between Success and X-Ray, as this would fit into the time Sonny and him left Success.

Anyway, Hi Jesper, nice to read you here! ;o)

Regards,
T.

Yeh, I came to the same conclusion :)

2004-08-21 09:01

Radar
Account closed

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 259

@Hero:
Harry, hope you and your wife do good (heard about your girl, cool).

@Rough:
About your comment? Shove it right up into your ass. Lamer (always been and always will be).

@The Dark Judge:
[sarcasm]
I know we love eachother.
[/sarcsam]

@The Arrogance:
I actually agree with most of the stuff you said about success. There just are some details Im not sure about, but who cares. Not worth talking about it anymore.

@Raiden:
Read my Mail.

@All the rest:
Grow up.

Off again!

2004-08-21 18:27

The Arrogance

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 36

@ Hero: Alternation is not your thing, is it, Harry ?! ;)
But anyway, congratulation for another one of those blond
and beautiful skandinavian girls! ;)

@ Radar: Hartmut, thanks for your honest answer!

L8er,
T.

2004-08-23 13:59

Cmr
Account closed

Registered: Jun 2003
Posts: 23

The people who have visited the Baboons party in Eddersheim, know how it really started with Success. I support The Arrogance in his story, I remember the guys talking to me about Success.

2004-09-02 22:20

CyberBrain
Administrator

Posts: 392

The matter is setteled, and you can now gladly thrust what The Arrogance has written at the success record. It's the truth.

2004-09-21 12:23

Raze
Account closed

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 13

Being member of X-Ray and later on Success and knowing most of the guys I support Arrogance´s version of the story, too. Maybe Raiden was bitchslapped on some US board by Arrogance at that time and now tries to have his late revenge. Still haven´t learned a thing then.
@Arro: Don´t start boasting too much about boozing... ;-)

@Radar: Nice to meet you again here! Are you still calling Antidote?

@The Elegance: Ex- D-Sign/X-Ray? Nice to see you again! I really liked your logos! Still have that paper drawing you once made!

Raze

2004-09-23 17:22

The Arrogance

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 36

Peter, no i do not remember any trouble with that guy at all, because until 2004 i didn't even know that he was existing! ;) But regarding the mail-exchange i had with him, i guess he had some problem with Thorsten.. at least he disliked/dislikes him. Whatever, i could care less.

L8er, T.

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