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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2242 |
What's an import?
As one of your favourite mods Count Zero keeps cracking his head about the CSDb crack sub category "Import", let's help him, so he finally can focus on more productive issues.
Here's some rotten forum freds frome around a decade ago on how it emerged:
- Adding the cracker group to import/trainer version (Rough raising the question how to distinguish group-b-introlinked cracks originally made by group-a from group-a's release)
- Suggestion: New release type "C64 Import" (bepp calling for a new release type)
- PAL to PAL imports (Didi's view, especially doubting Imports without Video Standard fixes make sense)
So do we need the "Import" flag at all?
Should we limit it to the days when BBSes and snailmail were the only way of getting cracks across borders and oceans?
Is a crack made in one Western German city intro-linked in another Western German city an import?
Do we need another category/flag ("Lame Intro Linked Version without any advantages over original crack") instead?
Do more categories/flags really make things clearer or rather create more confusion?
Now go, fight. |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 127 |
@F7sus4: good point! The same goes for charsets, sprites and other items either ripped from games or other demos. Maybe it's possible to distinguish credits between somebody's been part of the "team" or not in the credits section. (going off topic again - sorry!) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:Yet people whose SIDs were used in any random production/demo do get credit, because their work is present there, even though there were not involved.
yes, that is equally retarded. it makes the db completely useless for eg finding out which productions rob hubbard actually contributed to. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:Let me strike once more, having read Black Beard's memories, this ain't about fame or lame or ethics. It's about functionality of database. What helps me browsing my "Search Results"? There might be users searching for exactly THAT release of Maniac Mansion with exactly THESE 3 intros.
This is the core problem some people have with making the db - random functionality is tacked on things that are ment for something else. "tags" in releasenames, extra info in comments, crazy release- and credit types that shouldnt exist. And all of this because noone gives a damn anymore and the proper fixes (new db fields) are never implemented. As someone already said, there should be different tables for "contributed to this" and "made something that is used" credits, for example. We know this since at least a decade too. So back to poopcorn mode because we are now at the point that tells us "nothing changes, we are stuck with shitty workarounds" yolo. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: Quote:Let me strike once more, having read Black Beard's memories, this ain't about fame or lame or ethics. It's about functionality of database. What helps me browsing my "Search Results"? There might be users searching for exactly THAT release of Maniac Mansion with exactly THESE 3 intros.
This is the core problem some people have with making the db - random functionality is tacked on things that are ment for something else. "tags" in releasenames, extra info in comments, crazy release- and credit types that shouldnt exist. And all of this because noone gives a damn anymore and the proper fixes (new db fields) are never implemented. As someone already said, there should be different tables for "contributed to this" and "made something that is used" credits, for example. We know this since at least a decade too. So back to poopcorn mode because we are now at the point that tells us "nothing changes, we are stuck with shitty workarounds" yolo.
So your conclusion is that we are dealing with a pseudo database? Or perhaps even a.. fake database? :O ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
more like Pseudomaintainance and Quantity over Quality mindset. |
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Comos
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 73 |
From an experience in my country, when most of the stuff was imported from the west side and the local groups slam their intro in front of the old one, is this considered a valid "Import" ? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
just my 2 cents. before the internet imports made sense, not everyone had contacts to get the latest warez, the importing group got new games into the flow. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2979 |
Yeah, and an import from one village to the neighbouring village is technically enough to warrant another intro and the "import" tag, imho. =)
Whether or not it's a worthy import and the importer had to fend off bears with bare hands and morse the thing via smoke signals etc., another thing. |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251 |
Hello oldfarts,
it might be forgiveable that alzheimers sets in after over 30 years have passed, but an import is simply an imported crack from one regional market to another.
Like from the US to the EU. Or JP to US or EU.
Forgot about regions? Last we had was regions for BluRays i guess. Yes, back in the days we had socalled regional markets and versions that were only released/suitable for those markets. Like the US NTSC version of an all english game really didn't make too much sense to be released in germany, because the germs just were'nt used to read english stuff. They needed Zack Mc Cracken in german to have an impact.
Case solved, nothing to see here.
Rather overhaul csdb in places where it matters like cross referencing and original release dates than nitpicking over things like "imports". |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Quote: Hello oldfarts,
it might be forgiveable that alzheimers sets in after over 30 years have passed, but an import is simply an imported crack from one regional market to another.
Like from the US to the EU. Or JP to US or EU.
Forgot about regions? Last we had was regions for BluRays i guess. Yes, back in the days we had socalled regional markets and versions that were only released/suitable for those markets. Like the US NTSC version of an all english game really didn't make too much sense to be released in germany, because the germs just were'nt used to read english stuff. They needed Zack Mc Cracken in german to have an impact.
Case solved, nothing to see here.
Rather overhaul csdb in places where it matters like cross referencing and original release dates than nitpicking over things like "imports".
For reasonable mature grown-ups (if people like that ever were part of the scene ;) ), you are correct, but then you have to take into account a huge stockpile of local 13-year old wannabes and upcoming sceners that did what they could on a micro scale. |
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