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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Information should be free
Quoting Managing information in CSDb
2. The information regarding entries belongs to those who the information is about. A person "owns" the information about his scener-profile, and the information of his/hers releases and the groups he/she is/was member of.
3. If any person who "owns" information doesn't want the information in CSDb it is totally their rights to remove it, and should be respected. This means that if you have any doubts that the person who owns the information does not want it in CSDb, you must not add it, and also that this person have the right to delete the information at any time.
To be honest, I was never fully aware of these rules until Baracuda kept throwing them around, and I can't say anything else than that I don't agree with them at all ..
Just remember: the scene is bigger than the people that are (or were) part of it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:Than you mean: shouldn't be added ?
Right ?
indeed, unless someone wants his info to be there. (and again, adding it without someones consent might be illegal depending on where you live) |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Quote: Quote:Than you mean: shouldn't be added ?
Right ?
indeed, unless someone wants his info to be there. (and again, adding it without someones consent might be illegal depending on where you live)
I agree.
Now beware of Fake releases which makes jokes about what you wrote... ;)
Now after all know the rules, they can understand me.. ?
Understand why i helped others beeing "attacked" as
in Weedlove "Secretman". Later updated with my name..
Sometimes it was too late, the entries gone with them..
As you can see, i'm still here because i want a change here..
Be friendly. |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
I see walid points in both views.
My personal view is that files and groups should never be removed. As it was once spread all over the globe why shouldn't it be out there all of a sudden?
I still like to see some stuff in the profile like the first name as it has helped lots of times not to add a new scener profile. I mean how many profiles could be merged if we just had a first name or something similar in the profiles?
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wreg
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 679 |
Quote: Quote:
if someone would like to catch you, would like to know something about you..
He can.
and? that doesnt mean i have to plaster my info on the net for every mumbowumbo to read. and like i said, exposing personal info of someone else without asking is actually illegal in a lot of countries (certainly in germany) - and for a good reason.
persons doing illegal things should not cry for the law when it could protect them!
they clearly have choosen NOT to use it :-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: I agree.
Now beware of Fake releases which makes jokes about what you wrote... ;)
Now after all know the rules, they can understand me.. ?
Understand why i helped others beeing "attacked" as
in Weedlove "Secretman". Later updated with my name..
Sometimes it was too late, the entries gone with them..
As you can see, i'm still here because i want a change here..
Be friendly.
If you want changes, you must try to formulate your ideas clearly and don't rely on other people and mods to understand you or even find parts of your arguments in the information clues that you provide.
It's sometimes very hard to get the idea what you are talking about and believe me, it's not because I or other people are stupider than you. ;-)
E.g. I don't get what you wrote here on first reading and I don't feel like reading it again. So what exactly did you want to say? And this time without "metaphors". ;-) |
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BAR.
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
Quote: I see walid points in both views.
My personal view is that files and groups should never be removed. As it was once spread all over the globe why shouldn't it be out there all of a sudden?
I still like to see some stuff in the profile like the first name as it has helped lots of times not to add a new scener profile. I mean how many profiles could be merged if we just had a first name or something similar in the profiles?
All guys and womans here should have a profile.
Hi wreg and others..
All informations should be only deleted after an o.k.
from perff. So you know when and why..
All entries should be open.
Stricly the other rules should be accepted by all guys here
so that all can live in peace.
@violator: i know a lot of guys which left silently..
No one notified that.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote:
All guys and womans here should have a profile.
Hi wreg and others..
All informations should be only deleted after an o.k.
from perff. So you know when and why..
All entries should be open.
Stricly the other rules should be accepted by all guys here
so that all can live in peace.
@violator: i know a lot of guys which left silently..
No one notified that.
Perff made the locking because he had to solve problems of deletions every time. Now the solution of this problem is partially solved by locking.
I think next step could be possibility to let mods check logs of deletions and potentially restore the deleted stuff if necessary, this way he could concentrate on other important things.
As for silently leaving people. It's much better to leave silently than leaving with rumble and leaving mess behind yourself like e.g. Ignorance. ;-) One camp is using his departure as argument why "someone" should be removed from here. Other ask "why is he removed from here"?
Btw. your post was formulated quite clearly. See. That is what I was asking for. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:My personal view is that files and groups should never be removed. As it was once spread all over the globe why shouldn't it be out there all of a sudden?
i agree with that, removing stuff just because it's "lame" doesnt really make sense, even the lamest lamers and their releases are a part of the scene afterall :)
Quote:persons doing illegal things should not cry for the law when it could protect them! they clearly have choosen NOT to use it :-)
please be serious.
i am not crying for the law, and i havent done illegal things in the scene for probably more than 20 years (infact, i have released very few cracks only, of which almost none is even on csdb because they are lost).
and there are more than enough reasons to protect personal info for everyone. be it to prevent stalking or spam, just to name the most obvious ones.
and afterall csdb by itself (for very understandable reasons) choosed to be "legal", eg it respects copyright of contemporary gamecompanies and removes cracks of their products on request. if the law is respected in one case, and ignored on another (which is alot more about respect towards other sceners than the first, imho) it only destroys the credibility of the whole project. |
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BAR.
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 324 |
If you restore the deleted stuff, then you had to live with more double entries, faults. So in my eyes it would be better to ask perff if you have the right to delete something.
If someone add an entry and then later find out that this
entry was there before, he deletes the new one.
Now, the admins would bring this back...
This would be a mistake.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote:
If you restore the deleted stuff, then you had to live with more double entries, faults. So in my eyes it would be better to ask perff if you have the right to delete something.
If someone add an entry and then later find out that this
entry was there before, he deletes the new one.
Now, the admins would bring this back...
This would be a mistake.
You are talking about hypthetical mistakes that could be only made when moderators would be dumb and didn't check existence of releases. Still it would be much better to leave restoration of deleted stuff on team of mods rather than one person. (although I'm sure there are more people who can do that, but usually mostly perff is being contacted when something like that happens ;-). Also I didn't give very good example, generally locking is also good for the situations when the holder of the information takes over the responsibility for it's maintenance. In cases when the information is complete, or is being update by the information holder.
Also there is a request for update of the "deletion" feature. When anyone deletes the release, there should be reason given. I'm sure Perff will add this feature soon, it shouldn't be hard to implement.
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