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d0c
Registered: Apr 2006
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Paul Norman did Forbidden Forest?
Paul Norman
Paul Norman did Forbidden Forest why aint he given credit for this?... was he a scener?... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
lots of credits arent complete for the same reason. (then again, we are mostly talking about ripped music here). you may call it a database flaw. not really a problem for musicians though, since the info can be added: add the proper sid to the entry, and the info wont get lost :)
BUT, in this specific case... he actually did contribute something to a scene production (the c64.com demo), which by the rules of csdb qualify him for having a profile :)
however that said, he should not be credited for "code" in a forbidden forest entry (because the credits should refer to who made the crack). |
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
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well I see an inconsistency here:
1. if a well known musician is credited in 1 scene release (for 1 word in a scroll text for example) and his ripped music is used in several other productions then he is credited everywhere and the credits are complete.
2. however,if he isn't credited in that 1 scene production then he isn't credited in any other atall and the credits are incomplete.
it makes no sense.
remove Paul Norman from the credits here: Paul Norman's Computerized Publishing Company |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Right, I removed his credits from that crack. About the other thing: Just because someone has a "scener profile" doesn't mean he's a scener. At least to me that is. I feel it's perfectly ok to add non-sceners to make credits complete. Just my 2 c. |
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assiduous
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how did you do that? you aint a moderator here. is there a flaw in the php code allowing to edit locked entries? if so please share the exploit with us.
and you're so right about the other thing. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:
1. if a well known musician is credited in 1 scene release (for 1 word in a scroll text for example) and his ripped music is used in several other productions then he is credited everywhere and the credits are complete.
2. however,if he isn't credited in that 1 scene production then he isn't credited in any other atall and the credits are incomplete.
it makes no sense.
its very easy:
- scener profiles are for sceners
- taking part in a scene production qualifies someone for beeing a scener
yes it may lead to the situation you describe above. like i said, call it a database flaw. the only alternative would be allowing a scener profile for everyone and his mother, which is far beyond the scope of csdb.
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About the other thing: Just because someone has a "scener profile" doesn't mean he's a scener. At least to me that is. I feel it's perfectly ok to add non-sceners to make credits complete. Just my 2 c.
please don't. this just isnt possible in a good way right now, and only leads to a lot of mess, like people adding companies as groups and similar nonsense. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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how did you do that? you aint a moderator here. is there a flaw in the php code allowing to edit locked entries? if so please share the exploit with us.
some people who are known to be good boys(tm) may unlock entries. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Quote: how did you do that? you aint a moderator here. is there a flaw in the php code allowing to edit locked entries? if so please share the exploit with us.
and you're so right about the other thing.
Below the mods (FAR FAR below) are the 'trusted sceners' We lot are allowed to break into locked entries and clean up the mess. Some also call them "screenshot-upload-bots". Ask Mace. ;-)
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assiduous
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Quote:the only alternative would be allowing a scener profile for everyone and his mother, which is far beyond the scope of csdb.
you're painting unrealistic grim pictures of consequences for the ideas you don't like. I don't see how "everyone" and "his mother" could be credited in a scene release. and if his mother's piece of C64 work was really used in a scene production then i'm all for allowing a scener profile for his mother.
Quote:please don't. this just isnt possible in a good way right now, and only leads to a lot of mess, like people adding companies as groups and similar nonsense.
then this whole database leads to a lot of mess as a matter of fact. "Let's remove sceners that took part in the amiga scene because this will lead to people adding amiga groups here". Clear 2 rules saying:
1. adding people credited in a scene release is allowed
2. adding commercial companies and their releases is a no-no
would be SIMPLER and prevent "adding companies as groups and similar nonsense". will also cure the database flaw.
Matt Gray is here and no one adds Codemasters. and if anyone does he's told he shouldnt. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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you're painting unrealistic grim pictures of consequences for the ideas you don't like. I don't see how "everyone" and "his mother" could be credited in a scene release.
it's not only about the credits, but also of who should be entered as a scener, and what qualifies as a scene release. people already added a lot of nonsense in the past, like "commodore" as a group they could credit the cbm charset to. or commercial hardware as releases, including their creators as sceners, and their respective companies as groups.
we have to draw the line *somewhere*. "everyone who is credited in a scene release" might be one option, but the current rule is "everyone who participated in a scene release". the latter was choosen because the other would leave WAY too much freedom and room to add pretty much "everyone". why stop with musicians? if you allow them, you must allow all graficians too, because pretty much every game gfx was used in some scene production too. and you must allow anyone else who ever wrote some code for a game, which then has been ripped by someone for use in a scene production. this goes way too far, and will not be tolerated - atleast until we have found a better solution for this.
and matt gray is here because he made things like Atmosphere One which makes him a scener. (infact a whole lot of the later well known musicians are there for the same reason).
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d0c
Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 186 |
thanks for clearing that up... who's mother should we kick out of the csdb first? :P |
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