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2023-11-12 19:13
Mr SQL

Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137
Blues

Are there any new Blues compositions or existing covers on the SID?

Or anything like the algorithmic composition in BallBlazer for the Atari 400/800 which is not in the C64 version?
 
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2023-11-12 21:08
Digger

Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437
Such classic https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/D/DRAX/Worktunes/..
2023-11-13 07:17
Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465
> perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard
> for the subtractive analogue synth?

no, but blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed. if there are exceptions - they utilize blues characteristics (rhythm, licks), but emphasize songwriting aspect. you're warmly welcome to come up with a proper algo which generates blues, that could be an interesting challenge.
2023-11-13 08:54
Mr SQL

Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137
Quoting Digger
Such classic https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/D/DRAX/Worktunes/..

Not blues but a most excellent composer, made me think of Taki when I saw Drax, another awesome composer:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/T/Taki/Draxish.sid

Quoting Hate Bush
> perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard
> for the subtractive analogue synth?

no, but blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed. if there are exceptions - they utilize blues characteristics (rhythm, licks), but emphasize songwriting aspect. you're warmly welcome to come up with a proper algo which generates blues, that could be an interesting challenge.


Great insight I agree. I am working on an algorithm with an aspect to allow the listener to participate in the composition.

I was hoping to find algorithmic examples for the SID like the BallBlazer algorithm for Atari. Makes me wonder if there was a difficulty issue where that could not be implemented as easily on the C64 or just got left out of the port.
2023-11-27 07:02
Mr SQL

Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137
I have an algorithm that does soft Jazz and Charles Ives inspired modernist composition released in Breakout Pet Factory demo from Transmission 64 this past weekend.

Working on a most difficult Blues algorithm...
2023-11-27 14:09
AüMTRöN

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 44
/MUSICIANS/T/Tonal_Teapot/Ubiks_Musik.sid song 4 is still the most bluesy thing I heard on C64. It's not exactly blues, but it does have a few I/IV/V in it, and the lead is somewhat improvised sounding. It eventually ends up in a out-of-sync cacophony, but it still rules hard.

Quote:
blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed


This. I've tried to write blues on sid and it quickly feels pointless.
2023-11-28 04:49
Mr SQL

Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137
Quote: /MUSICIANS/T/Tonal_Teapot/Ubiks_Musik.sid song 4 is still the most bluesy thing I heard on C64. It's not exactly blues, but it does have a few I/IV/V in it, and the lead is somewhat improvised sounding. It eventually ends up in a out-of-sync cacophony, but it still rules hard.

Quote:
blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed


This. I've tried to write blues on sid and it quickly feels pointless.


This has a nice sound.

This Jazz piece by Glenn Gallefoss is inspiring too:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Galle..

This one is nice too:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Bayliss_Richard..

Agree Blues is very challenging on the SID, I working on the Blues algorithm on the Atari too. Blues might be a genre the less advanced Atari sound chip is better at, jury is still out...
2023-11-28 18:54
ws

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 251
so, i'm just asking because i am really unsure, but this is some kind of blues right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QcdOsM9Io (Mikie Title)
Totally love that tune.

Like Boogie-Woogie Blues or something?
2023-11-29 01:15
Mr SQL

Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137
Quote: so, i'm just asking because i am really unsure, but this is some kind of blues right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QcdOsM9Io (Mikie Title)
Totally love that tune.

Like Boogie-Woogie Blues or something?


Yes this has a blues feel, closest I have seen so far on the SID. Very cool!
2023-12-11 06:43
Mr SQL

Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137
Quote: > perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard
> for the subtractive analogue synth?

no, but blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed. if there are exceptions - they utilize blues characteristics (rhythm, licks), but emphasize songwriting aspect. you're warmly welcome to come up with a proper algo which generates blues, that could be an interesting challenge.


Here's my algorithm for the Blues from the Silly Venture Art Festival in Gdansk this weekend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iahkNyHnnKk

Interestingly the algorithm that allows this program to run on the Commodore 64 has an unexpected side effect of changing the Blues Sound to Jazz. I will be releasing it at a C64 demo party soon.

Here's my recent entry from Transmission64 with Jazz and modernist music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNeu97_YW0
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