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2008-01-09 15:53
Shadow
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Covers that you thought were original C64 tunes..

Back in the eighties/early nineties I was a HUGE nerd that never went 'out' or listened to music or whatever the cool kids did (OK, all of the aforementioned still applies, but.. :D)
That meant that pretty much the only music I listened to came from the glorious SID chip. In the years since there has been many occasions where I've heard a tune on the radio/TV/mp3 and gone "WOW! They made a cover of the tune from demo X" and then a second later "Uhmm.. wait a minute.. it was probably the other way around".
Some notable examples:
* Domino Dancing / Pet Shop boys. I thought this was a C64 original up until I heard it on the radio a couple of years ago :D
* The tune from some Success demo, turned out to be a Koto cover
* The superb introtune from Partytrap. It was not until I read the comments here on CSDB that I realized it was a cover.

OK, am I the only one who has experienced this? :D
 
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2008-01-09 17:13
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11510
even the good old copy-by-grid method is fairly easy, it's just work. even i can do that :)
2008-01-09 18:51
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
I am the walrus by TDM .. Really.
2008-01-09 19:26
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 964
Quote: yeah, Groepaz got the point exactly. its much harder to cover a music, than copy gfx.

Not if you got good ears or a midi file. Almost every hip song got a midi file somewhere.

It's as difficult as the good old copy-with-grid method. (well, ok, 3 channels vs 16 colours)

Both are good practices, though, copying gfx and copying music. Especially picking out the essential bits, abstracting the details to less.
2008-01-09 19:57
Turtle

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 70
Quote: Not if you got good ears or a midi file. Almost every hip song got a midi file somewhere.

It's as difficult as the good old copy-with-grid method. (well, ok, 3 channels vs 16 colours)

Both are good practices, though, copying gfx and copying music. Especially picking out the essential bits, abstracting the details to less.


Some fast complexity calculations....

3 channels * 65536 freq possibilities = 196608 possible channel/freq combinations

vs.

16 colours * 64000 pixels = 1024000 coulour/pixel combinations

concludes to: Songcovers should easier to be done than Imagecovers ;-)

But, wait! Maybe I should add the waveforms and pulses...

Then, there should be 3 ch * 65536 freq * (3 wf +(4 wf *4096 pulsevalues) = 3221815296 ch/freq/wf/pulse conbinations.

Correct me, if I'm wrong (which is almost inevitable).

Just kidding. I know how hard it is to compose, whether soundwise or visualwise, even to cover. Especially when you have no talent, like me! ;-)


Turtle
2008-01-09 20:13
Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966
For the longest time i was totally unaware that "Two divided by zero" from Trond Kjetil Lindanger
(of which i even made a cover "Division by zero") is in fact itself a cover of "Two divided by zero"
from the pet shop boys.

What a surprise that was.

I still prefer Trond's version a thousand times more than the "original".

2008-01-09 22:43
Devia

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 403
I recently heard the 1942 music played in a very nice orchestral version on TV. I think it was at some danish crap award show (forgot which one)... Then checked the STIL and found out 1942 is a cover of the music from some movie called "633rd Squadron" from 1964... never knew that ;-)
2008-01-10 05:16
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2038
There is a dude who wishes to remain anonymous who have collected quite a few mp3s that are the originals to the corresponding sids. This collection contains at least to me quite many surprises, such as the original for the Maniac Mansion music etc.

If you wish I could get hold of the collection again and torrent it or something.

/JackAsser
2008-01-10 06:19
Style

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498
Anything by Hubbard.
2008-01-10 07:56
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5126
Jack, I wish it on saturday after 19:00 :)
2008-01-10 08:08
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2038
Quote: Jack, I wish it on saturday after 19:00 :)

Heh, I'll talk to the dude again. :D
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